Player A or Player B

[DaKid12]

Would enjoy everyones opinion on who of the following two players were better at their position. I am doing my all time rankings and I am stuck between a few players.

Catcher: Tedd Simmons or Joe Torre
First Base: Dick Allen or Fred McGriff
Third Base: Scott Rolen or Stan Hack
Outfield: Minnie Minoso or Larry Walker

Thank you in advance for your help.

[jjpm74]

Catcher: Ted Simmons or Joe Torre--based solely on play, I give Simmons the edge here.
First Base: Dick Allen or Fred McGriff--McGriff
Third Base: Scott Rolen or Stan Hack--Stan Hack
Outfield: Minnie Minoso or Larry Walker--Minnie Minoso

[1905 Giants]

1st Base - Allen over Mcgriff

[chicagowhitesox1173]

Simmons over Torre
Allen over McGriff....close call because of careers.
Rolen over Hack
Minoso over Walker..due to LQ and ballbark.

[Cougar]

Would enjoy everyones opinion on who of the following two players were better at their position. I am doing my all time rankings and I am stuck between a few players.

Catcher: Ted Simmons or Joe Torre
First Base: Dick Allen or Fred McGriff
Third Base: Scott Rolen or Stan Hack
Outfield: Minnie Minoso or Larry Walker

Thank you in advance for your help.

These are tough calls. You've got my #1 and #2 eligible catchers, my #1 eligible LF vs. my #1 eligible RF, and my #2 and #3 retired third basemen (I'm assuming Rolen hangs up his spikes, and Chipper's #1).

McGriff over Allen is the only one I feel very confident about,

Tentatively, I've got Torre over Simmons, Minoso over Walker, and Rolen over Hack.

They are all more than qualified for the Hall.

[PVNICK]

I have Simmons a few spots ahead of Torre. If Torre had a fuller career as C I could see it the other way, but Torre even with the Braves had a few partial seasons at C.

Allen for his peak/prime is ahead of McGriff. I could see it the other way because peak/prime (64-74) is all but two years of Allen's career.

Rolen is miles ahead of Hack for me. Top ten v. top 15-25.

Minoso or Walker, i might have Minoso ahead but I have Minoso as LF and Walker as RF so I cannot say for sure.

[DaKid12]

I am surprised by people choosing McGriff over Allen. That was the main reason for me posting this thread. I had Allen as a sure fire hall of famer, and McGriff on the outside looking in. I've been reading alot on different places where McGriff is ranked higher than Allen. I just don't see it personally .

[jjpm74]

I am surprised by people choosing McGriff over Allen. That was the main reason for me posting this thread. I had Allen as a sure fire hall of famer, and McGriff on the outside looking in. I've been reading alot on different places where McGriff is ranked higher than Allen. I just don't see it personally .

McGriff had a better overall career and was effective longer. Allen had a better peak. It depends on how you look at things.

[Bothrops Atrox]

Simmons
Allen
Rolen
Pick 'em

[toomanyhatz]

Simmons over Torre. It's been said before, but Simmons is tons better than plenty of catchers in there. Torre as player and manager, maybe, but as a catcher alone, Simmons has it.

Allen over McGriff. Loved McGriff as a player, and his consistency is great, but I'll take Allen's few amazing seasons over McGriff's many solid ones.

Rolen over Hack, though both are pretty borderline.

Minoso ahead of Walker. I may underrate Walker- he could obviously do a lot, and he didn't just hit in Colorado, but Minoso did everything well too, was less fragile, and managed to hit in a non-hitting era, unlike Walker. In short, Walker's borderline, Minoso should be in.

[jalbright]

Simmons over Torre, though both belong, especially with Torre's managerial success.

Allen over McGriff. Allen was a pain at times, but at his best, he was a tremendous force. He belongs. McGriff wouldn't be an embarrassment, but he's not my cup of tea for the Hall.

Rolen over Hack. Rolen is worthy, though he may not make it. Hack is borderline for me, but again no embarrassment.

Minoso over Walker. Minoso has some Negro League credit to add, and that makes a difference for me. However, I think both belong.

[dgarza]

Catcher: Ted Simmons over Joe Torre
Both about the same in peak years, but Simmons has more value than Torre at C. Simmons has more value than Torre at both C & 3B. Simmons played about 1800 games at C/3B. Torre only about 1400.

First Base: Dick Allen over Fred McGriff
Allen rolls over McGriff at peak. But what really makes Allen better is that about 50-60% of Allen's WAR value comes from playing 3B.

Third Base: Scott Rolen over Stan Hack
I personally like Hack over Rolen. Hack was probably the best 3B of the 30s & 40s. He was doing things other 3B were not at the time. Also, some of this was during War years.
Rolen was the better 3B. He was the best 3B not named Chipper in the 90s & 00s. He had a better peak. Rolen also had better defense.

Outfield: Larry Walker over Minnie Minoso
Both had similarly high peak years, but Walker had more very solid years. Walker aged much better. Walker had a better bat. Both stole 200+ bases, but while Minoso did so at a 61% rate and led league in Caught Stealing 6x, Walker stole more bases at a better rate, 75%.

[DaKid12]

After researching and listening to your opinions I came up with these 6 players as the 6 best players no longer eligible to be voted in. This does not include Pete Rose or Joe Jackson.

1. Bill Dahlen
2. Minnie Minoso
3. Dick Allen
4. Lou Whitaker
5. Bobby Grich
6. Ted Simmons

What are your opinions on this list? Is anyone missing from this list who should absolutely be there?

[Cougar]

After researching and listening to your opinions I came up with these 6 players as the 6 best players no longer eligible to be voted in. This does not include Pete Rose or Joe Jackson.

1. Bill Dahlen
2. Minnie Minoso
3. Dick Allen
4. Lou Whitaker
5. Bobby Grich
6. Ted Simmons

What are your opinions on this list? Is anyone missing from this list who should absolutely be there?

It's a good list.

[Cougar]

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