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    John Stone

    John Stone spent 11 years in the big leagues, hitting .310 with 1,391 hits, 105 triples, 463 walks and only 352 strikeouts, a 116 OPS+ and a .843 OPS. The outfielder hit at least 10 triples seven times in a season and he eclipsed the .320 average mark three times (in years he played at least 100 games).

    From 1934 to 1937, he hit .325 with a .398 OBP and 127 OPS+. In that four-year span, he averaged 151 hits, 13 triples, 84 runs scored, 81 RBI and only 29 strikeouts a season. For someone who didn't hit a lot of home runs, he even slugged .487.

    "Rocky," who led the league in singles in 1931, finishing 16th in MVP voting that year, is statistically similar to Carl Reynolds, Curt Walker, Irish Meusel, Bibb Falk, Mike Greenwell, Bruce Campbell, Roy Johnson, Tip O'Neill, Riggs Stephenson and Buck Freeman. Through age 32, his final season, he was most similar to Hall of Famer Enos Slaughter.

    What do you think about John Stone? Should he be in the Hall of Fame? Did he have Hall of Fame potential?
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    No
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    Not a Hall of Famer, but he had Hall of Fame potential
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
    John Stone spent 11 years in the big leagues, hitting .310 with 1,391 hits, 105 triples, 463 walks and only 352 strikeouts, a 116 OPS+ and a .843 OPS. The outfielder hit at least 10 triples seven times in a season and he eclipsed the .320 average mark three times (in years he played at least 100 games).

    From 1934 to 1937, he hit .325 with a .398 OBP and 127 OPS+. In that four-year span, he averaged 151 hits, 13 triples, 84 runs scored, 81 RBI and only 29 strikeouts a season. For someone who didn't hit a lot of home runs, he even slugged .487.

    "Rocky," who led the league in singles in 1931, finishing 16th in MVP voting that year, is statistically similar to Carl Reynolds, Curt Walker, Irish Meusel, Bibb Falk, Mike Greenwell, Bruce Campbell, Roy Johnson, Tip O'Neill, Riggs Stephenson and Buck Freeman. Through age 32, his final season, he was most similar to Hall of Famer Enos Slaughter.

    What do you think about John Stone? Should he be in the Hall of Fame? Did he have Hall of Fame potential?
    He might already be in the HOF if he had posted these numbers as Frankie Frisch's teammate. That wouldn't have made him worthy; he's Jim Rice Lite with a shorter career.

    I loosely voted for "HOF Potential". Had he played longer with the same stats, he'd have been borderline; but he'd also have been a better player than he was. I don't know why his career abruptly ended, but he declined all at once at age 32 and that was it. His 1st year with the Senators showed the Senators fall from 1st to 7th while his old team, the Tigers, surged to the pennant (after finishing 5th at 75-79 during Stone's last year with them). There's no evidence that he was key in helping his team win, and there's no evidence he was viewed as a star in his day. His "HOF potential" basically boils down to "he might have gotten in as a borderline case by the VC during years when everyone was bemoaning the drop in BA", which was the case when most of the Frisch picks snuck into Cooperstown.
    "I do not care if half the league strikes. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. All will be suspended and I don't care if it wrecks the National League for five years. This is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play as another. The National League will go down the line with Robinson whatever the consequences. You will find if you go through with your intention that you have been guilty of complete madness."

    NL President Ford Frick, 1947

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    • #3
      Yeah I usually think of Joe Vosmik or Carl Reynolds whenever Stone comes up. Good solid Mike Greenwell types-there's a random comp for you-who needed to do it 15 yrs to be a Hof.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TomBodet View Post
        Yeah I usually think of Joe Vosmik or Carl Reynolds whenever Stone comes up. Good solid Mike Greenwell types-there's a random comp for you-who needed to do it 15 yrs to be a Hof.
        Greenwell was a guy who projected out as a HOFer but couldn't keep it going. The reason these guys can't keep it going is that they're good . . but not THAT good. Retaining your ability is a specific criteria for greatness.
        "I do not care if half the league strikes. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. All will be suspended and I don't care if it wrecks the National League for five years. This is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play as another. The National League will go down the line with Robinson whatever the consequences. You will find if you go through with your intention that you have been guilty of complete madness."

        NL President Ford Frick, 1947

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post


          Through age 32, his final season, he was most similar to Hall of Famer Enos Slaughter.
          Might be time to reconsider Slaughter's worthiness ....

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          • #6
            I donno F. B'ar, I think Vosmik and Stone were about Gator's level frankly. It's just a quick comp anyways.

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            • #7
              For the record, I believe Stone's career came to an abrupt end due to illness.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by westsidegrounds View Post
                Might be time to reconsider Slaughter's worthiness ....
                Might be time for you to realize that those BB-Ref "similar" lists are merely an amusement. Stone is not a similar player to Slaughter. Consider that the sim scores use unadjusted stats, so you're comparing a player who played in one of the highest offense leagues in history (1930's AL, Stone's AIR 112) with a player posting his numbers in an ordinary offensive league (slaughter's AIR 102 thru age 32). Consider that only by removing three prime seasons from Slaughter's resume (WW2) does he get dragged down to the level of Stone.

                Reportedly, Stone's career was curtailed because he caught tuberculosis in 1938.
                Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by westsidegrounds View Post
                  Might be time to reconsider Slaughter's worthiness ....
                  Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
                  Might be time for you to realize that those BB-Ref "similar" lists are merely an amusement. .
                  Might be time to look up "sarcasm" in the dictionary.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
                    For the record, I believe Stone's career came to an abrupt end due to illness.
                    The BB-Ref Bullpen mentions something about tuberculosis.

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                    • #11
                      His .310 BA for a career corner OFer from 1928-1938 is just a point or two above average. Is OBP is only slightly above average for a career COFer of that time as well. He did, however, his a lot of triples.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by westsidegrounds View Post
                        Might be time to look up "sarcasm" in the dictionary.
                        1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
                        2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.

                        Yeah, we need a lot more of this at BBF.
                        Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                        Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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                        • #13
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                          Last edited by westsidegrounds; 12-03-2012, 05:42 PM. Reason: accidentally responded to a post that didn't deserve a response.

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