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  • 2013 BBWAA vote contest

    Here's the guy on the ballot:

    Sandy Alomar Jr.
    Jeff Bagwell
    Craig Biggio
    Barry Bonds
    Jeff Cirillo
    Royce Clayton
    Roger Clemens
    Jeff Conine
    Steve Finley
    Julio Franco
    Shawn Green
    Roberto Hernandez
    Ryan Klesko
    Kenny Lofton
    Edgar Martinez
    Don Mattingly
    Fred McGriff
    Mark McGwire
    Jose Mesa
    Jack Morris
    Dale Murphy (15th election)
    Rafael Palmeiro
    Mike Piazza
    Tim Raines
    Reggie Sanders
    Curt Schilling
    Aaron Sele
    Lee Smith
    Sammy Sosa
    Mike Stanton
    Alan Trammell
    Larry Walker
    Todd Walker
    David Wells
    Rondell White
    Bernie Williams
    Woody Williams

    You will be asked to take the entire list of candidates and say whether the candidate will be inducted (in), not be elected but stay on the ballot (stay), or be dropped (drop) from the ballot. Scoring will be as follows:

    If the player is elected and the prediction is:
    correct: add five points
    wrong and the prediction was stay: subtract two points
    wrong and the prediction was drop: subtract four points

    If the player is dropped and the prediction is:
    correct: add one point
    wrong and the prediction was in: subtract four points
    wrong and the prediction was stay: subtract two points

    If the player stays on the ballot and the prediction is:
    correct: add three points
    wrong: subtract two points

    Note: Dale Murphy is in the fifteenth year of eligibility and thus will either be elected or drop from the ballot,

    I'll include a first tiebreaker of the number of guys correctly picked for induction, a second tiebreaker of the least number of incorrect picks for induction, and a third tiebreaker of the most number of correct picks of stay on the ballot choices.

    The only payoff for winning is pride.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    Sandy Alomar Jr. DROP
    Jeff Bagwell STAY
    Craig Biggio STAY
    Barry Bonds STAY
    Jeff Cirillo DROP
    Royce Clayton DROP
    Roger Clemens STAY
    Jeff Conine DROP
    Steve Finley DROP
    Julio Franco DROP
    Shawn Green DROP
    Roberto Hernandez DROP
    Ryan Klesko DROP
    Kenny Lofton STAY
    Edgar Martinez STAY
    Don Mattingly STAY
    Fred McGriff STAY
    Mark McGwire STAY
    Jose Mesa DROP
    Jack Morris IN
    Dale Murphy DROP
    Rafael Palmeiro STAY
    Mike Piazza STAY
    Tim Raines STAY
    Reggie Sanders DROP
    Curt Schilling STAY
    Aaron Sele DROP
    Lee Smith STAY
    Sammy Sosa STAY
    Mike Stanton DROP
    Alan Trammell STAY
    Larry Walker STAY
    Todd Walker DROP
    David Wells DROP
    Rondell White DROP
    Bernie Williams STAY
    Woody Williams DROP

    Good idea! I think what will happen is Jack Morris will be elected and that Craig Biggio and Jeff Bagwell wait another year and go in together next year. The two I keep going back and forth on are Biggio and Piazza.

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    • #3
      In:

      Craig Biggio
      Jack Morris (ugh)

      Stay:

      Jeff Bagwell
      Barry Bonds
      Roger Clemens
      Edgar Martinez
      Don Mattingly
      Fred McGriff
      Mark McGwire
      Mike Piazza
      Tim Raines
      Curt Schilling
      Lee Smith
      Sammy Sosa
      Alan Trammell
      Larry Walker

      Drop:

      Sandy Alomar Jr.
      Jeff Cirillo
      Royce Clayton
      Jeff Conine
      Steve Finley
      Julio Franco
      Shawn Green
      Roberto Hernandez
      Ryan Klesko
      Kenny Lofton (sadly, he may be one and done)
      Jose Mesa
      Dale Murphy (will get more than 5%, though)
      Rafael Palmeiro (I'm going out on a limb here)
      Reggie Sanders
      Aaron Sele
      Mike Stanton
      Todd Walker
      David Wells
      Rondell White
      Bernie Williams
      Woody Williams
      *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

      Comment


      • #4
        I'm going to add a fourth tiebreaker: one whose prediction was posted/modified the earliest.
        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

        Comment


        • #5
          Sandy Alomar Jr. drop
          Jeff Bagwell stay
          Craig Biggio stay
          Barry Bonds stay
          Jeff Cirillo drop
          Royce Clayton drop
          Roger Clemens stay
          Jeff Conine drop
          Steve Finley drop
          Julio Franco stay
          Shawn Green drop
          Roberto Hernandez drop
          Ryan Klesko drop
          Kenny Lofton stay
          Edgar Martinez stay
          Don Mattingly stay
          Fred McGriff stay
          Mark McGwire stay
          Jose Mesa drop
          Jack Morris in (I don't like it, but I think this is what the writers will do)
          Dale Murphy (15th election) drop
          Rafael Palmeiro stay
          Mike Piazza in
          Tim Raines stay
          Reggie Sanders drop
          Curt Schilling stay
          Aaron Sele drop
          Lee Smith stay
          Sammy Sosa stay
          Mike Stanton drop
          Alan Trammell stay
          Larry Walker stay
          Todd Walker drop
          David Wells stay
          Rondell White drop
          Bernie Williams stay
          Woody Williams drop
          Last edited by jalbright; 12-03-2012, 03:02 PM.
          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by jalbright
            For the project, scores of 7.75 or above will be regarded as indicating we believe the individual is worthy of induction. I come up with that number based on 75% 3's (in) and 25% 2's (out), which matches the HOF requirement of 75% of the vote.
            I thought this was about likelihood of election rather than worthiness. Morris has a good shot at being elected, but I certainly don't think he's worthy of it.
            *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DJC View Post
              I thought this was about likelihood of election rather than worthiness. Morris has a good shot of being elected, but I certainly don't think he's worthy of it.
              Posted to the wrong thread. My apologies.
              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

              Comment


              • #8
                Sandy Alomar Jr. - drop
                Jeff Bagwell - In
                Craig Biggio - In
                Barry Bonds - Stay
                Jeff Cirillo - drop
                Royce Clayton - drop
                Roger Clemens - stay
                Jeff Conine - drop
                Steve Finley - drop
                Julio Franco - drop
                Shawn Green - drop
                Roberto Hernandez - drop
                Ryan Klesko - drop
                Kenny Lofton - drop
                Edgar Martinez - stay
                Don Mattingly - stay
                Fred McGriff - stay
                Mark McGwire - stay
                Jose Mesa - drop
                Jack Morris - stay
                Dale Murphy (15th election) - drop
                Rafael Palmeiro - stay
                Mike Piazza - stay
                Tim Raines - stay
                Reggie Sanders - drop
                Curt Schilling - stay
                Aaron Sele - drop
                Lee Smith - stay
                Sammy Sosa - stay
                Mike Stanton - drop
                Alan Trammell - stay
                Larry Walker - stay
                Todd Walker - drop
                David Wells - drop
                Rondell White - drop
                Bernie Williams - drop
                Woody Williams - drop
                Lets Go Yankees, Valley Cats, Dutchmen, UT Spartans and ECU Pirates.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Sandy Alomar Jr. - Drop
                  Jeff Bagwell - Stay
                  Craig Biggio - In
                  Barry Bonds - In
                  Jeff Cirillo - Drop
                  Royce Clayton - Drop
                  Roger Clemens - In
                  Jeff Conine - Drop
                  Steve Finley - Drop
                  Julio Franco - Drop
                  Shawn Green - Drop
                  Roberto Hernandez - Drop
                  Ryan Klesko - Drop
                  Kenny Lofton - Stay
                  Edgar Martinez - Stay
                  Don Mattingly - Stay
                  Fred McGriff - Stay
                  Mark McGwire - Stay
                  Jose Mesa - Drop
                  Jack Morris - Stay
                  Dale Murphy - Drop
                  Rafael Palmeiro - Stay
                  Mike Piazza - In
                  Tim Raines - Stay
                  Reggie Sanders - Drop
                  Curt Schilling - Stay
                  Aaron Sele - Drop
                  Lee Smith - Stay
                  Sammy Sosa - Stay
                  Mike Stanton - Drop
                  Alan Trammell - Stay
                  Larry Walker - Stay
                  Todd Walker - Drop
                  David Wells - Drop
                  Rondell White - Drop
                  Bernie Williams - Stay
                  Woody Williams - Drop

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Sandy Alomar Jr. DROP
                    Jeff Bagwell STAY
                    Craig Biggio IN
                    Barry Bonds STAY
                    Jeff Cirillo DROP
                    Royce Clayton DROP
                    Roger Clemens STAY
                    Jeff Conine DROP
                    Steve Finley DROP
                    Julio Franco DROP
                    Shawn Green DROP
                    Roberto Hernandez DROP
                    Ryan Klesko DROP
                    Kenny Lofton STAY
                    Edgar Martinez STAY
                    Don Mattingly STAY
                    Fred McGriff STAY
                    Mark McGwire STAY
                    Jose Mesa DROP
                    Jack Morris IN
                    Dale Murphy (15th election) DROP
                    Rafael Palmeiro STAY
                    Mike Piazza STAY
                    Tim Raines STAY
                    Reggie Sanders STAY
                    Curt Schilling STAY
                    Aaron Sele DROP
                    Lee Smith STAY
                    Sammy Sosa STAY
                    Mike Stanton DROP
                    Alan Trammell STAY
                    Larry Walker STAY
                    Todd Walker DROP
                    David Wells DROP
                    Rondell White DROP
                    Bernie Williams DROP
                    Woody Williams DROP
                    The Writer's Journey

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Sandy Alomar Jr.- Drop
                      Jeff Bagwell- Stay
                      Craig Biggio- In
                      Barry Bonds- Stay
                      Jeff Cirillo- Drop
                      Royce Clayton- Drop
                      Roger Clemens- Stay
                      Jeff Conine- Drop
                      Steve Finley- Drop
                      Julio Franco- Drop
                      Shawn Green- Drop
                      Roberto Hernandez- Drop
                      Ryan Kelsko- Drop
                      Kenny Lofton- Stay
                      Edgar Martinez- Stay
                      Don Mattingly- Stay
                      Fred McGriff- Stay
                      Mark McGwire- Stay
                      Jose Mesa- Drop
                      Jack Morris- Stay
                      Dale Murphy(eligibility expires)- Drop
                      Rafael Palmeiro- Stay
                      Mike Piazza- In
                      Tim Raines- Stay
                      Reggie Sanders- Drop
                      Curt Schilling- Stay
                      Aaron Sele- Drop
                      Lee Smith- Stay
                      Sammy Sosa- Stay
                      Mike Stanton- Drop
                      Alan Trammell- Stay
                      Larry Walker- Stay
                      Todd Walker- Drop
                      David Wells- Drop
                      Rondell White- Drop
                      Bernie Williams- Stay
                      Woody Williams- Drop

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        In:
                        nobody

                        Stay:

                        Jeff Bagwell
                        Craig Biggio
                        Barry Bonds
                        Roger Clemens
                        Edgar Martinez
                        Don Mattingly
                        Fred McGriff
                        Mark McGwire
                        Jack Morris
                        Rafael Palmeiro
                        Mike Piazza
                        Tim Raines
                        Curt Schilling
                        Lee Smith
                        Sammy Sosa
                        Alan Trammell
                        Larry Walker

                        Drop:

                        Sandy Alomar Jr.
                        Jeff Cirillo
                        Royce Clayton
                        Jeff Conine
                        Steve Finley
                        Julio Franco
                        Shawn Green
                        Roberto Hernandez
                        Ryan Klesko
                        Kenny Lofton
                        Jose Mesa
                        Dale Murphy
                        Reggie Sanders
                        Aaron Sele
                        Mike Stanton
                        Todd Walker
                        David Wells
                        Rondell White
                        Bernie Williams
                        Woody Williams
                        Last edited by John Shoemaker; 01-08-2013, 08:13 AM.

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                        • #13
                          I'll announce the results of all votes/changes made before the announcement at 2 pm EST today shortly after the release of that news.
                          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Here are the results:

                            71 John Shoemaker
                            61 biggtone23
                            60 jjpm74
                            56 djc
                            55 NJRob65
                            55 hairmetalfreek
                            49 jalbright
                            45 TheMendozaLine

                            John Shoemaker would have been middle of the pack except for his changes of yesterday. He substantially improved his position by the changes. This was within the rules,, but in the future, I think I'll have to make the deadline a week before the announcement to keep someone from at least seeming to benefit from being able to count so many votes.
                            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                              John Shoemaker would have been middle of the pack except for his changes of yesterday. He substantially improved his position by the changes. This was within the rules,, but in the future, I think I'll have to make the deadline a week before the announcement to keep someone from at least seeming to benefit from being able to count so many votes.
                              How about a BBTF threshold (around 10%) as the cutoff. The cutoff could just be announced by you when you get to it if you do this again next year.

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