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  • #16
    My most prized baseball card is Red's rookie card, so I am biased. He's been the heart of the Cardinals for a really l-o-n-g time, but that alone wouldn't make him a HOF'er. My feeling is, as so many have already stated, that he's a "whole package guy." And for the sum of the parts, he belongs in there with the greats, IMHO.
    Born to an age where horror has become commonplace, where tragedy has, by its monotonous repetition, become a parody of sorrow, we need to fence off a few parks where humans try to be fair, where skill has some hope of reward, [and] where absurdity has a harder time than usual getting a ticket." -- Thomas Boswell, 1984

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    • #17
      Originally posted by keystone View Post
      My most prized baseball card is Red's rookie card, so I am biased. He's been the heart of the Cardinals for a really l-o-n-g time, but that alone wouldn't make him a HOF'er. My feeling is, as so many have already stated, that he's a "whole package guy." And for the sum of the parts, he belongs in there with the greats, IMHO.
      For the Cardinals fans, I keep seeing people state that Red is the heart and soul of the Cardinals. Isn't Stan Musial held in even higher regard by Cardinals fans?

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      • #18
        He's borderline for me. If Lou Whitaker who was the 2nd best fielding 2B of the 80's in the AL (behind White) and the best all around 2B in that same decade (WAR says so) isn't in, then Schoendienst shouldn't either. I think it's a Detroit bias and some St. Louis love going on in the HOF.
        "I am not too serious about anything. I believe you have to enjoy yourself to get the most out of your ability."-
        George Brett

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        • #19
          Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
          For the Cardinals fans, I keep seeing people state that Red is the heart and soul of the Cardinals. Isn't Stan Musial held in even higher regard by Cardinals fans?
          Yeah, but he doesn't need the lovefest boost to be a HOFer.
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          • #20
            I don't think he gets in by today's standards, but by the standards for second basemen at the time, he qualifies. He and Nellie Fox are virtually identical as players.

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            • #21
              By today's standards, do you mean the availability of sabermetrics? That would be a valid argument, but it doesn't measure heart. As for Musial, he's the Really Big Star, but as for "being there," Red's the Really Big Heart.
              Born to an age where horror has become commonplace, where tragedy has, by its monotonous repetition, become a parody of sorrow, we need to fence off a few parks where humans try to be fair, where skill has some hope of reward, [and] where absurdity has a harder time than usual getting a ticket." -- Thomas Boswell, 1984

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              • #22
                As a player, he's a little bit under par. I usually don't like to do the whole "combo" reasoning unless BOTH player and managing factors are borderline or better. I don't approach it as simple addition.
                I don't think Red Schoendienst's managing career would move me to say he's a solid HOF choice.

                For those who say he's fine "combo" pick, how would Willie Randolph sit with you? I realizes there's a little bit of projection involved, but he's done well so far and could come back with similar success or better...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                  For those who say he's fine "combo" pick, how would Willie Randolph sit with you? I realizes there's a little bit of projection involved, but he's done well so far and could come back with similar success or better...
                  Willie is borderline in as a player. As a manager he is not even close. Schoendienst is borderline out for me as a player, but given his relationship to the Cardinals and longevity, I have no problem with his inclusion in the HOF. It'd be a bit hypocritical of me if I did since I see Gil Hodges as a HOFer for similar reasons to Schoendienst.

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                  • #24
                    Good comparison, jjpm74.
                    Born to an age where horror has become commonplace, where tragedy has, by its monotonous repetition, become a parody of sorrow, we need to fence off a few parks where humans try to be fair, where skill has some hope of reward, [and] where absurdity has a harder time than usual getting a ticket." -- Thomas Boswell, 1984

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                    • #25
                      i'm a huge Gil Hodges fan for induction so i'm with jjpm. Would joe torre fit the same category?
                      Last edited by henrich; 12-07-2012, 06:53 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by henrich View Post
                        i'm a huge Gil Hodges fan for induction so i'm with jjpm. Would joe tore fit the same category?
                        Torre does not fit the comparison because neither his playing career nor his managerial career need a crutch.
                        Last edited by dgarza; 12-07-2012, 06:54 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
                          Willie is borderline in as a player. As a manager he is not even close. Schoendienst is borderline out for me as a player, but given his relationship to the Cardinals and longevity, I have no problem with his inclusion in the HOF. It'd be a bit hypocritical of me if I did since I see Gil Hodges as a HOFer for similar reasons to Schoendienst.
                          Randolph as a manager is not even close. But I don't think Schoendienst as a manager is really close either. Lower level coaching duties and the like should not be taken into account for the National Baseball HOF, IMHO. I don't think there are any rules against it, but it seems like a stretch to me.

                          I have no problem with the National Baseball HOF looking at managerial or high executive relationships with team, but anything other than that does not belong in the National Baseball HOF. Other kinds of lower level team relationship should be taken into account for individual team/franchise HOFs only. That's the more proper place for that consideration.
                          As far as I know, there is no precedent for a HOFer being elected with lower level team relationship and longevity as a real factor.

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                          • #28
                            i'm good with that. I think Torre should be in on his own accord as a player.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by henrich View Post
                              i'm a huge Gil Hodges fan for induction so i'm with jjpm. Would joe torre fit the same category?
                              --Torre is more qualified as both a player and
                              a manager than either Red or Gil.

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                              • #30
                                Torre should be in the HOF even if he never managed a single game. Torre should be in the HOF even if he never played a single game. He is one of a handful of people who belongs in both wings of the HOF.

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