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  • The Really Big Hall of Fame: 1901

    Welcome to the Really Big Hall of Fame, a project dedicated to developing a much more inclusive Hall of Fame. We're all "big Hall" guys here.

    This is like the Progressive Hall of Fame, but with one catch. You MUST vote for 12 players in each election. It doesn't matter if you wouldn't vote for them "in real life." This is the Really Big Hall of Fame. We want a lot of inductees.

    But please take the voting seriously. Please do not just vote ten random players--consider who is on the ballot and vote for the ten who you think were the best, who are most deserving for election.

    To ensure that people follow the "12 player rule", I will be requiring that participating members submit their ballots as posts, rather than via a poll. That way I can ensure accountability.

    Rules and information

    1. A player is eligible five years from the date of his final major league game.
    2. A player may appear on the ballot as many as 15 times.
    3. A player must receive 65% of the vote to be elected.
    4. A player must receive at least 5% of the vote to remain on the ballot.
    5. Elections will last seven days (one week).
    6. Usually, a player must have played 10 seasons to be eligible. But since this is the Really Big Hall of Fame, (admittedly arbitrary) exceptions will made.
    7. For the time being, only major league players will be considered, including NA players. Negro League votes will come later on.
    8. For the time being, a "Would Have Voted For" of fluid allowable size is permitted. This will save players from being eliminated from the ballot, even if they do not receive any votes.

    Select your best 12 from this list. You must vote for 12 players. To save players from ballot elimination, you are also allowed a "would have voted for" list--a list of up to two players you would have voted for had you enough room. This will save them from dropping off the ballot even if they do not receive a vote.

    Charlie Bennett
    Tommy Bond
    Pete Browning
    Charlie Buffinton
    Oyster Burns
    Ice Box Chamberlain
    Larry Corcoran
    Con Daily
    Fred Dunlap
    Dave Foutz
    George Gore
    Ned Hanlon
    Paul Hines
    Charley Jones
    Connie Mack
    Bobby Mathews
    Tommy McCarthy
    Jim McCormick
    Chippy McGarr
    Cal McVey
    Levi Meyerle
    Doggie Miller
    Ed Morris
    Tony Mullane
    Tip O'Neill
    Dickey Pearce
    Lip Pike
    Hardy Richardson
    Joe Start
    Harry Stovey
    Ezra Sutton
    Mickey Welch
    Jim Whitney
    Harry Wright

    New on the ballot:

    Ice Box Chamberlain
    Con Daily
    Dave Foutz
    Connie Mack
    Tommy McCarthy
    Chippy McGarr
    Doggie Miller
    Lip Pike
    Mickey Welch

    Dropped from the last ballot:

    Mark Baldwin
    George Bradley
    Tom Burns
    Charlie Comiskey
    Candy Cummings
    Abner Dalrymple
    John Denny
    Jack Farrell
    Bob Ferguson
    Silver Flint
    Guy Hecker
    Joe Hornung
    Henry Larkin
    Dick McBride
    John Morrill
    Dave Orr
    Paul Radford
    John Reilly
    Yank Robinson
    Jack Rowe
    Harry Staley
    Curt Welch
    Will White
    Ned Williamson
    Sam Wise
    George Wood
    Tommy York
    George Zettlein

    The Really Big Hall of Fame:

    Code:
    
    Player:          Times on ballot:          Election percentage:           Year elected:
    
    Ross	Barnes          1                        80.00%                        1900
    Bob	Caruthers       1                        70.00%                        1900
    John	Clarkson        1                        100.00%                       1900
    Pud	Galvin          1                        80.00%                        1900
    Jack	Glasscock       1                        90.00%                        1900
    Tim	Keefe           1                        100.00%                       1900  
    King	Kelly           1                        100.00%                       1900
    Old HossRadbourn        1                        100.00%                       1900
    Al	Spalding        1                        90.00%                        1900
    Monte	Ward            1                        70.00%                        1900
    Deacon	White           1                        90.00%                        1900
    George	Wright          1                        80.00%                        1900
    Holdovers:

    Code:
    Player:                Times on ballot:          Previous percentage:          High percentage: 
    
    Charlie	Bennett              1                         50.00%                         50.00%
    Tommy 	Bond                 1                         40.00%                         40.00%                                       
    Pete	Browning             1                         60.00%                         60.00%
    Charlie	Buffinton            1                         20.00%                         20.00%
    Oyster	Burns                1                         10.00%                         10.00%
    Larry	Corcoran             1                         10.00%                         10.00%
    Fred	Dunlap               1                         10.00%                         10.00%
    George	Gore                 1                         40.00%                         40.00%
    Ned	Hanlon               1                         10.00%                         10.00% 
    Paul	Hines                1                         60.00%                         60.00%
    Charley	Jones                1                         10.00%                         10.00%
    Bobby	Mathews              1                         20.00%                         20.00%
    Jim	McCormick            1                         50.00%                         50.00%
    Cal	McVey                1                         10.00%                         10.00%
    Levi	Meyerle              1                         10.00%                         10.00%
    Ed       Morris              1                         WHVF                           WHVF                       
    Tony	Mullane              1                         50.00%                         50.00%
    Tip     O'Neill              1                         WHVF                           WHVF
    Dickey	Pearce               1                         30.00%                         30.00%
    Hardy	Richardson           1                         50.00%                         50.00%
    Joe	Start                1                         40.00%                         40.00%
    Harry	Stovey               1                         40.00%                         40.00%
    Ezra	Sutton               1                         40.00%                         40.00%
    Jim	Whitney              1                         10.00%                         10.00% 
    Harry	Wright               1                         20.00%                         20.00%
    
    Holdovers dropped:
    
    None.
    
    Last year of eligibility:
    
    None.
    Number of voters in each election:

    1900: 10

    Hall of Fame stats:

    # of players in the Really Big Hall of Fame: 12
    # of players elected by regular election: 12
    Avg. # of players elected during each regular election: 12

    Really Big Hall of Fame members by primary position:

    C (0):
    1B (0):
    2B (1): Ross Barnes
    3B (1): Deacon White
    SS (2): Jack Glasscock, Monte Ward, George Wright
    LF (0):
    CF (0):
    RF (1): King Kelly
    SP (6): Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Pud Galvin, Tim Keefe, Old Hoss Radbourn, Al Spalding

    Players elected by year:

    1900 (12): Ross Barnes, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Pud Galvin, Jack Glasscock, Tim Keefe, King Kelly, Old Hoss Radbourn, Al Spalding, Monte Ward, Deacon White, George Wright

    Players elected by primary decade:

    1870s (3): Ross Barnes, Al Spalding, George Wright
    1880s (9): Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Pud Galvin, Jack Glasscock, Tim Keefe, King Kelly, Old Hoss Radbourn, Monte Ward, Deacon White
    Last edited by Cowtipper; 12-06-2012, 07:43 AM.

  • #2
    Charlie Bennett
    Tommy Bond
    Pete Browning
    Charlie Buffinton
    Fred Dunlap
    George Gore
    Jim McCormick
    Ed Morris
    Tony Mullane
    Hardy Richardson
    Harry Stovey
    Jim Whitney
    ------
    Paul Hines
    Mickey Welch

    I would have had Jim Devlin and Dave Orr as my holdovers, but they're not listed among the candidates. Careers too short for an exception?
    *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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    • #3
      Orr was on the ballot last year, but unfortunately he received zero votes and was not on any 'Would Have Voted For' lists. I considered putting Devlin on the ballot, but at only four years long, I think his career is too short even for this Hall of Fame.

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      • #4
        Tommy Bond
        Pete Browning
        Dave Foutz
        George Gore
        Paul Hines
        Bobby Mathews
        Jim McCormick
        Tony Mullane
        Lip Pike
        Hardy Richardson
        Ezra Sutton
        Mickey Welch

        Would have voted for:

        Charlie Buffinton
        Tip O'Neill

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
          Orr was on the ballot last year, but unfortunately he received zero votes and was not on any 'Would Have Voted For' lists. I considered putting Devlin on the ballot, but at only four years long, I think his career is too short even for this Hall of Fame.
          Devlin crammed several more years' worth of play into those few seasons, though. Either way, it's your call.
          *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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          • #6
            Charlie Bennett
            Pete Browning
            Charlie Buffington
            George Gore
            Paul Hines
            Jim McCormick
            Tony Mullane
            Hardy Richardson
            Joe Start
            Harry Stovey
            Ezra Sutton
            Mickey Welch

            I am not sure I would put any of these guys in the real HOF, if I had the choice. Maybe McCormick or Mullane.
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            • #7
              Ballot:

              Charlie Bennett
              Pete Browning
              Larry Corcoran
              George Gore
              Paul Hines
              Charley Jones
              Cal McVey
              Tip O'Neill
              Lip Pike
              Hardy Richardson
              Joe Start
              Ezra Sutton

              Might Eventually Vote For (ranked in order):

              1. Dickey Pearce
              2. Jim McCormick
              3. Dave Foutz
              Last edited by jjpm74; 12-06-2012, 10:23 AM.

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              • #8
                Here's a link to the previous election:

                http://www.baseball-fever.com/showth...l-of-Fame-1900

                A chart or separate post that links all previous elections would be very helpful for future elections.

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                • #9
                  Charlie Bennett
                  Tommy Bond
                  Pete Browning
                  George Gore
                  Paul Hines
                  Bobby Mathews
                  Jim McCormick
                  Tony Mullane
                  Tip O'Niell
                  Hardy Richardson
                  Harry Stovey
                  Mickey Welch

                  I'd also like to get Joe Start & Cal McVey in there at some point
                  Last edited by TheMendozaLine; 12-07-2012, 11:26 AM. Reason: I can't add.

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                  • #10
                    Charlie Bennett
                    Tommy Bond
                    Pete Browning
                    George Gore
                    Paul Hines
                    Cal McVey
                    Levi Meyerle
                    Lip Pike
                    Hardy Richardson
                    Joe Start
                    Ezra Sutton
                    Mickey Welch

                    (edited next two : Corcoran , Pearce)

                    two more: Bond, Corcoran. I presumed we are in 1901 when voting on Mack. The rules refer to players yet I have been voting on Harry Wright as contributor and will apply than to Hanlon if he sticks around-am I misreading the rules.

                    Edit: per post #13 we are to consider playing careers so Harry Wright is off - Bond is in. Pearce is on the next two list.
                    Last edited by PVNICK; 12-07-2012, 05:22 AM. Reason: clarification on playing career/management/contributor

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                      two more: Bond, Corcoran. I presumed we are in 1901 when voting on Mack. The rules refer to players yet I have been voting on Harry Wright as contributor and will apply than to Hanlon if he sticks around-am I misreading the rules.
                      I would like more clarification on this as well as I would vote for Hanlon, Mack, and H. Wright if we are looking at their entire careers.

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                      • #12
                        Charlie Bennett
                        George Gore
                        Paul Hines - I think seriously underrated here
                        Charley Jones
                        Cal McVey
                        Tony Mullane
                        Dickey Pearce
                        Lip Pike
                        Hardy Richardson
                        Harry Stovey
                        Ezra Sutton
                        Mickey Welch

                        sure keep them on the ballot
                        Jim McCormick
                        Levi Meyerle

                        --I had 17 guys after my first cut, although I don't neccessarily support that many. That was just how many I thought deserved consideration on a big hall ballot.

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                        • #13
                          For the time being, I would suggest considering only their playing careers as I am mulling doing contributor elections down the line.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TheMendozaLine View Post
                            Charlie Bennett
                            Tommy Bond
                            Pete Browning
                            Bobby Mathews
                            Jim McCormick
                            Tony Mullane
                            Tip O'Niell
                            Hardy Richardson
                            Harry Stovey
                            Mickey Welch

                            If I had room I'd vote for George Gore & Paul Hines. I'd also like to get Joe Start & Cal McVey in there at some point
                            You do have room. From the OP:
                            You MUST vote for 12 players in each election.
                            Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                            Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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                            • #15
                              I edited my post to remove Harry Wright since we are only considering playing careers.

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