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    As requested, we are going to keep rating perspective HOFers. I have 75 more to rate. Here are the first 25 of that set. I especially like when posters add comments to their ratings.

    As usual the scale is:

    5-Why is he not in? (if he was eligible)
    4- Has a good case
    3- marginal, has some merit
    2-comes up short
    1-are you kidding me?

    Adam Dunn
    Al Oliver
    Allie Reynolds
    Andres Galarraga
    Andruw Jones
    Art Fletcher
    Babe Herman
    Ben Chapman
    Bert Campaneris
    Bill Madlock
    Bobby Bonds
    Bobby Abreu
    Bobo Newsom
    Bucky Walters
    Carlos Beltran
    Cesar Cedeno
    Chipper Jones
    Chris Carpenter
    Clyde Milan
    Darryl Strawberry
    Dave Kingman
    Dave McNally
    David Ortiz
    Dolph Camilli
    Dom Dimaggio
    This week's Giant

    #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

  • #2
    Adam Dunn -1
    Al Oliver -2
    Allie Reynolds -1
    Andres Galarraga -1
    Andruw Jones -4
    Art Fletcher -2
    Babe Herman -1
    Ben Chapman -2
    Bert Campaneris -2
    Bill Madlock -2
    Bobby Bonds -3
    Bobby Abreu -3
    Bobo Newsom -1
    Bucky Walters -2
    Carlos Beltran -3
    Cesar Cedeno -3
    Chipper Jones -5
    Chris Carpenter -2
    Clyde Milan -1
    Darryl Strawberry -2
    Dave Kingman -1
    Dave McNally -1
    David Ortiz -2
    Dolph Camilli -2
    Dom Dimaggio -1
    Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 12-09-2012, 05:10 PM.
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    • #3
      Adam Dunn- 1+
      Al Oliver- 2+
      Allie Reynolds- 2
      Andres Galarraga- 2
      Andruw Jones- 4-
      Art Fletcher- 2
      Babe Herman- 1+
      Ben Chapman- 2
      Bert Campaneris- 2+
      Bill Madlock- 2+
      Bobby Bonds- 3
      Bobby Abreu- 3
      Bobo Newsom- 2
      Bucky Walters- 3
      Carlos Beltran- 3
      Cesar Cedeno- 3
      Chipper Jones- 5
      Chris Carpenter- 2
      Clyde Milan- 2
      Darryl Strawberry- 2+
      Dave Kingman- 2
      Dave McNally- 2-
      David Ortiz- 2+
      Dolph Camilli- 2+
      Dom Dimaggio- 2+

      C. Jones is my only 5. I give A. Jones a 4, but a bit grudgingly. Great fielder first half of career, lots to be desired as a hitter. When big power came on, fielding began to slip. Deserves to get in, though.
      Last edited by BigRon; 12-09-2012, 06:09 PM.

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      • #4
        Adam Dunn- 1
        Al Oliver- 3
        Allie Reynolds- 2
        Andres Galarraga- 2
        Andruw Jones- 4
        Art Fletcher- 2
        Babe Herman- 1
        Ben Chapman- 2
        Bert Campaneris- 2
        Bill Madlock- 2
        Bobby Bonds- 3
        Bobby Abreu- 3
        Bobo Newsom- 1
        Bucky Walters- 2
        Carlos Beltran- 3
        Cesar Cedeno- 3
        Chipper Jones- 5
        Chris Carpenter- 2
        Clyde Milan- 2
        Darryl Strawberry- 2
        Dave Kingman- 1
        Dave McNally- 2
        David Ortiz- 2
        Dolph Camilli- 3
        Dom Dimaggio- 2
        Last edited by rsuriyop; 12-09-2012, 04:54 PM.
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        • #5
          dunn-1
          Oliver 5
          Reynolds 4
          Galarraga 4
          A. Jones 5
          Fletcher 2
          Herman 2
          Chapman 2
          Campaneris 4
          madlock 2
          bonds 2
          Abreu 3
          newsom 3
          walters 4
          beltran 3
          cedeno 2
          jones C 5
          Carpenter 3
          milan 2
          strawberry 3
          kingman 2
          mcnally 2
          ortiz 2
          camilli 2
          dimaggio 2

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          • #6
            Adam Dunn- 2 - Might have some big numbers by the time he's done, and knew how to get on base, but slow as molases and a terrible fielder.
            Al Oliver- 3 - One for the Hall of the Very Very Good.
            Allie Reynolds- 3 - Very similar to Nolan Ryan without the longevity or as many peak years.
            Andres Galarraga- 3 - Played in the era of devaluation of the HR, and in CO to boot. If not for that he'd have a decent case. And people forget it wasn't all there was to his game, either.
            Andruw Jones- 3 - You have to forget he was ever a Dodger, but he was pretty great for the first ten years anyway.
            Art Fletcher- 2 - Great defensive player in an era when that mattered more, but not enough offense.
            Babe Herman- 3 - People remember the wild stories and forget he has better batting stats than many HoFers.
            Ben Chapman- 2 - Odd statistical anomolie- for a fast guy that could get on base a lot, he sure made a lot of extra outs.
            Bert Campaneris- 2 - The low OPS+ belies that he was actually a decent offensive force, and could field as well. Still, ultimately a good player rather than a great one.
            Bill Madlock- 2 - Hall of the Very Good. Couldn't field but sure could hit.
            Bobby Bonds- 3 - Not as good as his son, obviously, but likewise one hell of a power/speed combo. And people remember the strikeouts but forget that he could get on base too. I find him underrated, all told.
            Bobby Abreu- 3 - Great on-base guy and power/speed combo, couldn't field and had a late start. Another for the Hall of the Very Good.
            Bobo Newsom- 1 - An average pitcher with longevity. Interesting career without a lot of value
            Bucky Walters- 3 - Borderline, but peak's too short.
            Carlos Beltran- 4 - Still too early to appreciate just how great he is, but if he can keep it up, his traditional numbers will start catching people's attention.
            Cesar Cedeno- 3 - Certainly had HoF potential, but was too much of an emotional wreck. The early decline is unfortunate, if he could have kept it up for a few more years he'd be in.
            Chipper Jones- 5 - No-brainer and one of the best 3B ever, despite the clean image being almost as much of a con as Kirby Puckett's.
            Chris Carpenter- 2 - One for the 'if only' list. If he could have just stayed healthy for a few years in a row...unless he's got a hell of a third act coming, bad luck's got him beaten.
            Clyde Milan- 2 - Too many non-peak years, but sure could run.
            Darryl Strawberry- 2 - Looking back, it was an even shorter peak than I remember.
            Dave Kingman- 1 - The definitive 'one dimensional' slugger.
            Dave McNally- 1 - The Dave Stewart of his day- amazing peak that's too short, average otherwise.
            David Ortiz- 2 - Unless he puts together another couple of strong seasons, he falls short. I blame the Twins, who didn't know what they had.
            Dolph Camilli- 3 - Good hitter in a hitter's era, then during the war. Put the exact same stats in a different context and he's great.
            Dom Dimaggio- 3 - Great 'small ball' player in an era not built for it. Underrated as a result.
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            • #7
              Adam Dunn 1
              Al Oliver 2
              Allie Reynolds 3
              Andres Galarraga 2
              Andruw Jones 3
              Art Fletcher 4
              Babe Herman 3
              Ben Chapman 2
              Bert Campaneris 2
              Bill Madlock 1
              Bobby Bonds 4
              Bobby Abreu 1
              Bobo Newsom 1
              Bucky Walters 2
              Carlos Beltran 4
              Cesar Cedeno 4
              Chipper Jones 5
              Chris Carpenter 2
              Clyde Milan 1
              Darryl Strawberry 2
              Dave Kingman 1
              Dave McNally 1
              David Ortiz 2
              Dolph Camilli 2
              Dom Dimaggio 3

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              • #8
                Originally posted by toomanyhatz View Post
                Adam Dunn- 2 - Might have some big numbers by the time he's done, and knew how to get on base, but slow as molases and a terrible fielder.
                Al Oliver- 3 - One for the Hall of the Very Very Good.
                Allie Reynolds- 3 - Very similar to Nolan Ryan without the longevity or as many peak years.
                Andres Galarraga- 3 - Played in the era of devaluation of the HR, and in CO to boot. If not for that he'd have a decent case. And people forget it wasn't all there was to his game, either.
                Andruw Jones- 3 - You have to forget he was ever a Dodger, but he was pretty great for the first ten years anyway.
                Art Fletcher- 2 - Great defensive player in an era when that mattered more, but not enough offense.
                Babe Herman- 3 - People remember the wild stories and forget he has better batting stats than many HoFers.
                Ben Chapman- 2 - Odd statistical anomolie- for a fast guy that could get on base a lot, he sure made a lot of extra outs.
                Bert Campaneris- 2 - The low OPS+ belies that he was actually a decent offensive force, and could field as well. Still, ultimately a good player rather than a great one.
                Bill Madlock- 2 - Hall of the Very Good. Couldn't field but sure could hit.
                Bobby Bonds- 3 - Not as good as his son, obviously, but likewise one hell of a power/speed combo. And people remember the strikeouts but forget that he could get on base too. I find him underrated, all told.
                Bobby Abreu- 3 - Great on-base guy and power/speed combo, couldn't field and had a late start. Another for the Hall of the Very Good.
                Bobo Newsom- 1 - An average pitcher with longevity. Interesting career without a lot of value
                Bucky Walters- 3 - Borderline, but peak's too short.
                Carlos Beltran- 4 - Still too early to appreciate just how great he is, but if he can keep it up, his traditional numbers will start catching people's attention.
                Cesar Cedeno- 3 - Certainly had HoF potential, but was too much of an emotional wreck. The early decline is unfortunate, if he could have kept it up for a few more years he'd be in.
                Chipper Jones- 5 - No-brainer and one of the best 3B ever, despite the clean image being almost as much of a con as Kirby Puckett's.
                Chris Carpenter- 2 - One for the 'if only' list. If he could have just stayed healthy for a few years in a row...unless he's got a hell of a third act coming, bad luck's got him beaten.
                Clyde Milan- 2 - Too many non-peak years, but sure could run.
                Darryl Strawberry- 2 - Looking back, it was an even shorter peak than I remember.
                Dave Kingman- 1 - The definitive 'one dimensional' slugger.
                Dave McNally- 1 - The Dave Stewart of his day- amazing peak that's too short, average otherwise.
                David Ortiz- 2 - Unless he puts together another couple of strong seasons, he falls short. I blame the Twins, who didn't know what they had.
                Dolph Camilli- 3 - Good hitter in a hitter's era, then during the war. Put the exact same stats in a different context and he's great.
                Dom Dimaggio- 3 - Great 'small ball' player in an era not built for it. Underrated as a result.
                Great comments

                thanks for the insight
                This week's Giant

                #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

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                • #9
                  Adam Dunn - 1
                  Al Oliver - 3
                  Allie Reynolds - 2
                  Andres Galarraga - 3 if you have a fetish for carreer HR, but his career was resurrected in Coors and in the mid 90s
                  Andruw Jones - 4
                  Art Fletcher - 3
                  Babe Herman - 1
                  Ben Chapman - 1
                  Bert Campaneris - 3 he really is better than a superficial look at a slash line would have you believe. He played in a tough era and park for hitters.
                  Bill Madlock - 2
                  Bobby Bonds - 3
                  Bobby Abreu - 4 I could say three and for a moment could have said 5, his star was a lot brighter for a spell with the Phillies but a few faux pax with the OF wall (maybe only to my one track mind) bumped him down
                  Bobo Newsom - 1
                  Bucky Walters - 3
                  Carlos Beltran - 4
                  Cesar Cedeno - 3 - kinda like Straw but felled by a knee injury rather than drugs. @ 1975 - on track for 5, 1976 maybe a 4. edit: I think @ 73-74 there was an incident where his girlfriend was shot and killed. At the time (mid to late 70s) that was considered the reason for the slip from the ultra high level pre-74 where he was hitting .320 or with 25 HR or both in the Astrodome with @ 50 SB and GG caliber CF play.
                  Chipper Jones - 5
                  Chris Carpenter - 3
                  Clyde Milan - 2 overshadowed by the giants of his league but a solid B+ guy that in his best year or two might just might have cracked the AL top 3 OF (Cobb, Speaker and Jackson)
                  Darryl Strawberry - 2 I'd love to say 3. Through 1990 he looked like a 5 to me.
                  Dave Kingman - 1
                  Dave McNally - 2
                  David Ortiz - 2 sorry but a DH with PED links
                  Dolph Camilli - 3 seemed like he was premier 1B after Mize in the NL during the late 30s early 40s
                  Dom Dimaggio - 2
                  Last edited by PVNICK; 12-10-2012, 06:05 AM. Reason: Cedeno comment.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by toomanyhatz View Post
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                    Chipper Jones- 5 - No-brainer and one of the best 3B ever, despite the clean image being almost as much of a con as Kirby Puckett's.
                    Until Chipper is accused from multiple women of anything ranging from sexual assault, false imprisonment, domestic abuse, and death threats, I'd say Chipper has a long way to go in the con department to match Kirby.
                    Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 12-10-2012, 10:25 AM.
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                    • #11
                      Adam Dunn 2 - Prodigious power and batting eye. really knows how to wait for a pitch regardless of the actual situation. A little maddening.
                      Al Oliver 3 - Just falls short of mark, fine hitter but not fine enough. As nice a guy you'd want to meet, though.
                      Allie Reynolds 3 - Good pitcher helped by great teams.
                      Andres Galarraga 3 - Fine hitter and glove. Era and park hurt impressions.
                      Andruw Jones 4 - Never was quite the superstar he might have been but just a notch below.
                      Art Fletcher 2 - Good glove, one of many of type from era.
                      Babe Herman 2 - Overblown due to flakiness. He could hit, as could many during his era.
                      Ben Chapman 2 - Notoriety exceeds output.
                      Bert Campaneris 3 - Barely below Concepcion. Deserves a good look.
                      Bill Madlock 3 - 4 titles still look good. The fact he didn't get much of a HOF look shows the complete picture sometimes is looked at.
                      Bobby Bonds 3 - Good, should have been great.
                      Bobby Abreu 4 - Quiet sensation overshadowed entire career by far less productive players.
                      Bobo Newsom 2 - Never a stand out. If he had thrown no-hitter in first start would be better remembered.
                      Bucky Walters 3 - One of best in weaker era.
                      Carlos Beltran 4 - Developing real solid case
                      Cesar Cedeno 2 - Behind Bobby Bonds.
                      Chipper Jones 5 -Positional ATG.
                      Chris Carpenter 2 - Injuries did his case in.
                      Clyde Milan 2 -In the shadow of giants.
                      Darryl Strawberry 3 - Maybe the biggest shoulda been in my lifetime.
                      Dave Kingman 2 - Hit 'em far, long and often. And?
                      Dave McNally 3 - One of best for a few years.
                      David Ortiz 4 - Still is hitting. Getting hard to ignore.
                      Dolph Camilli 3 - Fine player oovershadowed by giants in the other league.
                      Dom Dimaggio 3 - If only he played a couple more years.
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                      • #12
                        Adam Dunn- 1+
                        Al Oliver- 2+
                        Allie Reynolds- 2+
                        Andres Galarraga- 2
                        Andruw Jones- 4
                        Art Fletcher- 2+
                        Babe Herman- 2
                        Ben Chapman- 2
                        Bert Campaneris- 3-
                        Bill Madlock- 2
                        Bobby Bonds- 4
                        Bob Abreu- 4
                        Bobo Newsome- 2+
                        Bucky Walters- 3
                        Carlos Beltran- 4
                        Cesar Cedeno- 3+
                        Chris Carpenter- 2+
                        Chipper Jones- 5
                        Clyde Milan- 2
                        Darryl Strawberry- 2
                        Dave Kingman- 1+
                        Dave McNally- 2
                        David Ortiz- 2
                        Dolph Camilli- 3-
                        Dom DiMaggio- 2+

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
                          Until Chipper is accused from multiple women of anything ranging from sexual assault, false imprisonment, domestic abuse, and death threats, I'd say Chipper has a long way to go in the con department to match Kirby.
                          Yeah, true- I forgot just how bad the multiple accusations got with Puckett. But I'd say getting a Hooters waitress pregnant while married isn't exactly the slickest move, particularly for a guy named Chipper with an 'aw, shucks!' attitude.
                          Found in a fortune cookie On Thursday, August 18th, 2005: "Hard words break no bones, Kind words butter no parsnips."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by toomanyhatz View Post
                            Yeah, true- I forgot just how bad the multiple accusations got with Puckett. But I'd say getting a Hooters waitress pregnant while married isn't exactly the slickest move, particularly for a guy named Chipper with an 'aw, shucks!' attitude.
                            No, Chipper is no saint. That is true. I do love how often the "Hooters waitress" thing gets brought up. Like if it were his accountant, it would have been any better.
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                            • #15
                              You can go ahead and think he's a phony all you want. I have no disillusions about the man. He just finished a divorce and is rumored to be dating a Playboy model right now.
                              46 wins to match last year's total

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