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    This is the eighth election of the AIR (Actual Induction Rate) HOF. We're going to elect folks at the pace Cooperstown did, which means 4 players and no contributors for 1947. The contributors go quiet for a few elections (until 1953, when we'll have 4--we skip 1950 for everybody). Obviously, I'm not counting contributor votes this time, so there's no point in submitting them. I'll post a link to the 1945 election when contributors are voted on again.

    This election will be open until Friday January 4 at 6 pm EST.

    The link to the prior election is:
    Last edited by jalbright; 01-04-2013, 05:37 PM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    1) BBF users in good standing may participate, provided they have not been banned from multiple projects in this forum. Anyone who has been told his or her votes will not count in more than one project in this forum will not have his or her vote counted unless he or she applies to the project manager for the right to vote and gets that request granted. However, if there is more than one vote being cast from any one computer or IP, it must be cleared in advance. Should there be unannounced multiple votes from the same IP, I will investigate the circumstances, and all user names involved may be barred from this project as a result, and all but one of the multiple usernames permanently banned from the site. I only anticipate exceptions for family members living in the same home, but I will entertain requests on other bases. Please note that I and the other mods who participate in the project have the capability of determining the IP from which posts come, and I for one intend to monitor same. I have had to deal with a single user manipulating a project with multiple votes, and I don't intend to repeat the experience.

    2) Elections will require a six (6) voter quorum. If we drop below that level for the player portion of the ballot, the project ends. If it drops below that level solely for the contributors, that ends that portion of the project.

    3) We will start in 1936, just as Cooperstown did. Each year Cooperstown elected a player, we will vote for our top 15 players ranked #1 through 15, Points will be awarded on the basis of 21 minus the rank, so first will be worth 20 ponts, 2d 19 points and so on down to 6 pts for 15th. We will induct the same number of players the Hall did in that year. Some years, the Hall inducted no one, and those years, we will not either. If a voter does not number his selections, I will try to get him/her to do so. If they do not do so before the end of the election period, I may in my sole discretion invalidate the ballot. I have included this provision in order to ease the process of recording the votes. On another point, I know, the 1936 backlog is huge--but that was a historical issue they couldn't avoid, so neither will we.

    4) We will also have a contributor ballot, and will elect as many as were inducted that year. Contributors will be ranked 1 through6, with points awarded 9-8-7-6-5-4. Voters may choose to participate in either one of the ballots or both. There will be many years without a contributor ballot, as many years no contributors were inducted.

    5) It is permissible to vote for a candidate on both the contributor and player lists.

    6) You are allowed to change your ballot at any time the voting is open. However, if you change your ballot, you've got to notify me (jalbright) by PM or by a new post in the voting thread, or the changes likely will not be registered.

    7) Players will become eligible at the earliest of the following three criteria:
    a) the year of death plus two will be used if that yields an earlier date;
    b) the first missed season after the player reaches age 40; and
    c) five years after the player’s career ended.
    Please note that the Negro Leagues will be considered ended in 1952 for purposes of this rule.

    8) Contributors become eligible at age 65 or in the year of death plus two. whichever comes first.

    9) Each election will run for approximately two weeks unless expressly altered by the project manager, contributors and players done simultaneously.

    10) No one is excluded from being a candidate, regardless of the league they played in, except those elected in either the contributor or player ballots. At that point, they are removed from further consideration. If there are players who returned to the Negro Leagues or Japan after going to the majors, the departure from the majors will be their career end date for purposes of this project.

    11) The standard for including a player on one's ballot is that the player must in the voter's opinion be among the very best eligible players (preferably the number voted on, but if a voter wishes to support someone they feel is 18th in a 15 person ballot instead of one of the top 15, it's too close for anyone to reasonably object. On the other hand, supporting the 30th best eligible candidate on a 15 person ballot is probably beyond the pale). I reserve the power to invalidate ballots which I do not feel are a reasonably knowledgeable, good faith effort to rank the players. One issue I am quite concerned about is that I do not want to see what clearly appear to be attempts to manipulate the ballot so as to elect a candidate. In isolation, I probably could live with this, but if it became a widely used tactic, the project would devolve into something I have no desire to be associated with. Moreover, I think that this position asks everyone else to cast legitimate votes so that you can manipulate the system to favor your pet candidates. I cannot accept that, as it strikes me as unfair to other voters. For example, you can't expect to favor even a legitimate HOF candidate like Bill Dahlen over Babe Ruth to get Dahlen elected without being asked to provide a reasonable justification for ranking Dahlen over Ruth. If you can provide a reasonable justification in that scenario, the ballot will stand. If not, you will be asked to make a change. I realize voters will sometimes have idiosyncratic choices, and I try to allow for that. However, a clear flouting of a consensus is apt to be met with a request that the ballot be justified pursuant to this rule. Certainly, a reasonable justification does not indicate in essence simply that you want Dahlen elected. Furthermore, if I invalidate multiple ballots by the same individual as failing to meet this rule, that individual will forever lose the right to have his/her ballots counted. Voters are encouraged to consider character, sportsmanship, and compliance with the rules and spirit of baseball in their rankings of players.

    12) I will post lists of eligible players and contributors before each election. If you have a question about the eligibility of a candidate, please ask. I will provide a list of future eligibility dates as well.

    13) My eligibility lists come from all persons in the BBF HOF, BBTF Hall of Merit, and Cooperstown, plus all persons getting a vote in a BBF HOF election in the past year and a half or in a BBWAA election. This is a relatively comprehensive list, and thus I must request that if you want another candidate included, you provide some justification for why said candidate is worthy of getting a vote in this project. The main area I think this might come into play is if a voter supports a person who was eligible for the final selections from the recent pre WWII or Negro League committees but not on my master list. That fact alone would serve as ample justification for putting said candidate on the list. We may learn more about Cuban ball or what have you and thus include others after a case is made for them, however. The contributor list is undoubtedly not as comprehensive, and this fact will be taken into consideration. For players, any request for a multiple time all-star in the all-star era will be approved. Players of that quality will generally be approved without much ado. However, when a player lacks that kind of qualification, I will likely ask for you to get a second from among our voters via a post in the current election thread. When in doubt, I will also require a second for suggested contributors. If a second is forthcoming, the player will be added. If not, the request will be rejected. I want to limit requests and seconds to players or contributors you actually might vote for.

    14) Other than the sportsmanship and character issues, players are to be evaluated solely upon their play. I would prefer that if a player is qualified by his play standing alone that he be elected on that basis. However, a candidate may only be elected either as a contributor or a player, but not both. Contributors are the area where the entire body of work during his career in the sport, including his play, managing, scouting, executive, writing, broadcasting or other work in the sport is relevant. Contributors are to be ranked based on who the voter thinks is most worthy of induction into the Contributor group in this project.

    15) Any ballot with two (2) or more spots unfilled with eligible candidates is invalid. In the event of the listing of ineligible names, I will try to notify the voter so that he/she can correct the ballot before the end of the voting period. If the change is made timely, it will count. If not, and there are two or more invalid names, the ballot will not be considered valid. If there is only one, the ineligible name will be stricken and all names after it on the affected ballot will be moved up one spot.

    16) Any players listed beyond the 15th place for any ballot will be ignored. If more than one person is listed as tied for the last available place and the ballot is oversize, all names will be dropped, which may lead to the invalidation of the ballot.

    17) Ties are not permitted in ballot listings. I reserve the right to invalidate ballots for use of ties in the rankings, be it within a single ballot or over the course of several ballots. If the voter does not correct such a listing voluntarily, except in the case of an oversize ballot tie for the last eligible place, if do not invalidate the ballot, I will choose the placement of the two "tied" candidates, generally preferring the candidate preferred by the other voters.

    18) For any ties between candidates straddling the in/out line of selections, the first tiebreaker is the number of candidates. If there Is still a tie for first, the next consideration is the ranking of the candidates by the ballots cast. If there are more than two candidates tied, use a 2-1-0 or whatever is appropriate for the number of players tied system. If a voter does not list a candidate, he receives zero points in the tiebreaker procedure. Once one person separates from the tied group, restart with the remaining candidates until there are only as many candidates as the rules call for being elected. If it is still tied after that, those with the most #1 votes as the next step, then the most #2 votes and so on to see if that breaks the tie. If not, we will induct all candidates who remain tied at that point.

    19) One thing we're going to have to be aware of is the timeline in the case of at least a few contributors. Two which jump out at me are Buck O'Neill, 1976, and Branch Rickey, 1946. I intend to eventually vote for both men, but in 1946, Jackie Robinson was still in Montreal. Really, Branch should wait until at least 1947 after Jackie's success in the majors to get credit for that move. If you think Rickey belongs in the top 5 in 1946 without his role in breaking the color line, that's fine--but he shouldn't get credit for that important success until it actually happened. Buck O'Neill did some important things up until 1976, but after that he was in Ken Burns' Baseball and he was instrumental in the establishment of the Negro Leagues Hall of Fame (both occurred in or around 1994). If you think he belongs based on accomplishments before those two things, that's perfectly acceptable, but please don't credit him with them before they actually happened.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


    • #3
      Here's the new class of players who become eligible in 1947:

      Bell Cool Papa
      Cronin Joe
      Danning Harry
      Davis Curt
      Derringer Paul
      Dihigo Martin
      Johnson Bob
      Mancuso Gus
      Rolfe Red
      Selkirk George
      Waner Lloyd
      Werber Billy
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


      • #4
        The official results for the holdover players last election:

             47 Hartnett  Gabby 
            44 Suttles, Mule
            36 Goslin, Goose
            36 Keefe , Tim
            36 Plank , Eddie
            27 Kelly , King
            23 Brown , Mordecai
            22 Wheat , Zack
            20 Caruthers , Bob
            19 Jackson , Joe
            19 O'Rourke , Jim
            17 Dahlen , Bill
            13 Barnes , Ross
            13 Ewing , Buck
            11 Oms, Alejandro
            11 Wilson, Hack
            10 Walsh , Ed
            8 Radbourn , Charlie
            6 Torriente, Cristobal
        Last edited by jalbright; 12-15-2012, 06:58 PM.
        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


        • #5
          Alphabetical list of those already inducted

          Pete Alexander
          Cap Anson
          Frank Baker
          Dan Brouthers
          Oscar Charleston
          John Clarkson
          Ty Cobb
          Mickey Cochrane
          Eddie Collins
          Roger Connor
          Sam Crawford
          George Davis
          Ed Delahanty
          Frankie Frisch
          Lou Gehrig
          Charlie Gehringer
          Lefty Grove
          Billy Hamilton
          Harry Heilmann
          Rogers Hornsby
          Carl Hubbell
          Walter Johnson
          Nap LaJoie
          Pop Lloyd
          Christy Mathewson
          Kid Nichols
          Bullet Joe Rogan
          Babe Ruth
          Al Simmons
          George Sisler
          Tris Speaker
          Turkey Stearnes
          Honus Wagner
          Paul Waner
          Smoky Joe Williams
          Jud Wilson
          Cy Young

          Doc Adams
          Alexander Cartwright
          Henry Chadwick
          Rube Foster
          Clark Griffith
          William Hulbert
          Ban Johnson
          Bill Klem
          Connie Mack
          John McGraw
          Al Spalding
          Harry Wright
          Last edited by jalbright; 12-15-2012, 06:59 PM.
          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


          • #6
            Inductions by year


            1936: Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Tris Speaker, Honus Wagner, Cy Young
            1937: Eddie Collins, Nap LaJoie, Babe Ruth
            1938: Rogers Hornsby
            1939: Pete Alexander, Cap Anson, Dan Brouthers, Pop Lloyd, Christy Mathewson, Smoky Joe Williams
            1942: Oscar Charleston, Lou Gehrig
            1945: Mickey Cochrane, Roger Connor, George Davis, Ed Delahanty, Charlie Gehringer, Lefty Grove, Kid Nichols, Al Simmons, Turkey Stearnes
            1946: Frank Baker, John Clarkson, Sam Crawford, Frankie Frisch, Billy Hamilton, Harry Heilmann, Carl Hubbell, Bullet Joe Rogan, George Sisler, Paul Waner, Jud Wilson

            1937: Alexander Cartwright, Henry Chadwick, Connie Mack, John McGraw, Harry Wright
            1938: Rube Foster, Al Spalding
            1939: Doc Adams, William Hulbert, Ban Johnson
            1942: Clark Griffith
            1945: Bill Klem
            Last edited by jalbright; 01-04-2013, 05:59 PM.
            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


            • #7
              Current eligibles for election:
              Adams	Babe
              Adams	Sparky
              Altrock	Nick
              Archer	Jimmy
              Arlett	Buzz
              Austin	Jimmy
              Averill	Earl
              Bancroft	Dave
              Barnes	Ross
              Barry	Jack
              Battin	Joe
              Beaumont	Ginger
              Beckley	Jake
              Beckwith	John
              Bell	Cool Papa
              Bender	Chief
              Bennett	Charlie
              Benton	Larry
              Berg	Moe
              Bergen	Marty
              Berger	Wally
              Berry	Charlie
              Bigbee	Carson
              Bishop	Max
              Blades	Ray
              Blue	Lu
              Bluege	Ossie
              Bodie	Ping
              Boley	Joe
              Bond	Tommy
              Bottomley	Jim
              Bradley	Bill
              Breitenstein	Ted
              Bresnahan	Roger
              Brown	Mordecai
              Browning	Pete
              Burkett	Jesse
              Burns	George
              Bush	Donie
              Bush	Guy
              Bush 	Joe
              Cadore	Leon
              Camnitz	Howie
              Carey	Max
              Carrigan	Bill
              Caruthers	Bob 
              Chance	Frank
              Chapman	Ray
              Chase	Hal
              Chesbro	Jack
              Childs	Cupid
              Cicotte	Eddie
              Cissell	Bill
              Clark	Watty
              Clarke	Fred
              Coakley	Andy
              Collins	Jimmy
              Collins	Shano
              Combs	Earle
              Conroy	Wid
              Coombs	Jack
              Cooper	Wilbur
              Cooper	Andy
              Coveleski	Stan
              Crandall	Doc
              Cravath	Gavvy
              Creighton	Jim
              Criger	Lou
              Critz	Hughie
              Cronin	Joe
              Cross	Lave
              Crowder	Al 
              Cruise	Walt
              Cummings	Candy
              Cuyler	Kiki
              Dahlen	Bill
              Danning	Harry
              Daubert	Jake
              Davis	Harry
              Davis	Spud
              Davis	Curt
              Derringer	Paul
              Dihigo	Martin
              Dinneen	Bill
              Doak	Bill
              Donlin	Mike
              Donovan	Bill
              Dooin	Red
              Doyle	Jack 
              Doyle	Larry
              Duffy	Hugh
              Dugan	Joe
              Dunlap	Fred
              Dykes	Jimmy
              Earnshaw	George
              Ehmke	Howard
              Elberfeld	Kid
              Elliott	Jumbo
              Ens	Jewel
              Evers	Johnny
              Ewing	Buck
              Faber	Red
              Falkenberg	Cy
              Ferrell	Wes
              Fitzsimmons	Freddie
              Fletcher	Art
              Flick	Elmer
              Fonseca	Lew
              Foster	Eddie
              Foster	Willie
              Fraser	Chick
              Frisch	Frankie
              Galvin	Pud
              Gelbert	Charlie
              Glasscock	Jack
              Gleason	Kid
              Gonzalez	Mike
              Gore	George
              Goslin	Goose
              Gowdy	Hank
              Grant	Eddie
              Grant	Frank
              Grantham	George
              Grimes	Burleigh
              Grimm	Charlie
              Groh	Heinie
              Haas	Mule
              Hafey	Chick
              Hahn	Noodles
              Haines	Jesse
              Hallahan	Bill
              Hargrave	Bubbles
              Harris	Bucky
              Hartnett   Gabby
              Herman	Babe
              Herzog	Buck 
              Hill	Pete
              Hinchman	Bill
              Hines	Paul
              Hooper	Harry
              Hoy	Dummy
              Hoyt	Waite
              Huggins	Miller
              Irwin	Charlie
              Jackman	Will
              Jackson	Joe
              Jennings	Hughie
              Johnson	Home Run
              Johnson	Judy
              Johnson	Bob
              Jones	Charley
              Jones	Fielder
              Jones	Sam P.
              Jordan	Tim
              Joss	Addie
              Judge	Joe
              Kamm	Willie
              Keefe	Tim
              Keeler	Willie
              Kelley	Joe
              Kelly	King
              Kerr	Dickie
              Killefer	Bill
              Kilroy	Matt
              Klein	Chuck
              Kling	Johnny
              Knabe	Otto
              Kremer	Ray
              Lange	Bill
              Larkin	Henry
              Latham	Arlie
              Lazzeri	Tony
              Leach	Tommy
              Leach	Freddy
              Leever	Sam
              Lewis	Duffy
              Lindstrom	Freddie
              Lobert	Hans
              Long	Herman
              Lowe	Bobby
              Lucas	Red
              Lundy	Dick
              Luque	Dolf
              Lyons	Denny
              Magee	Sherry
              Mancuso	Gus
              Manush	Heinie
              Maranville	Rabbit
              Marberry	Firpo
              Marquard	Rube
              Martin	Pepper
              Mathews	Bobby
              Mays	Carl
              McAleer	Jimmy
              McCarthy	Tommy
              McCormick	Jim
              McGinnity	Joe
              McGowan	Bill
              McInnis	Stuffy
              McLean	Larry
              McManus	Marty
              McPhee	Bid
              McVey	Cal
              Meadows	Lee
              Mendez	Jose
              Meusel	Bob
              Milan	Clyde
              Miller	Dots
              Miller	Hack
              Miller	Bing
              Moore	Dobie
              Moore	Jo-Jo
              Moran	Pat
              Mostil	Johnny
              Mullane	Tony
              Murphy	Danny
              Murray	Red
              Myer	Buddy
              Nehf	Art
              O'Doul	Lefty
              Oeschger	Joe
              O'Farrell	Bob
              O'Leary	Charlie
              Oms	Alejandro
              O'Neill	Tip
              O'Neill	Steve
              O'Rourke	Jim
              Orr	Dave
              Pabor	Charlie
              Paskert	Dode
              Pearce	Dickey
              Pearson	Monte
              Peckinpaugh	Roger
              Peitz	Heinie
              Pennock	Herb
              Perdue	Hub
              Perkins	Cy
              Phillippe	Deacon 
              Pike	Lip
              Pipp	Wally
              Plank	Eddie
              Poles	Spotswood
              Pruett	Hub
              Quinn	Jack
              Radbourn	Charlie
              Raymond	Bugs
              Redding	Dick
              Remsen	Jack
              Rice	Sam
              Richardson	Hardy
              Ring	Jimmy
              Ritchey	Claude
              Rixey	Eppa
              Robertson	Dave
              Rolfe	Red
              Rommel	Eddie
              Root	Charlie
              Roush	Edd 
              Rucker	Nap
              Rudolph	Dick
              Ruel	Muddy
              Rusie	Amos
              Ryan 	Jimmy
              Santop	Louis
              Schacht	Al
              Schaefer	Germany
              Schalk	Ray
              Schang	Wally
              Schreckengost	Ossie
              Schulte	Frank
              Scott	Everett
              Scott	Jack
              Selkirk	George
              Severeid	Hank
              Sewell	Joe
              Sewell	Luke
              Seymour	Cy
              Sheckard	Jimmy
              Sherdel	Bill
              Shocker	Urban
              Smith	Earl
              Smith	Sherry
              Sparks	Tully
              Stahl	Jake
              Start	Joe
              Steinfeldt	Harry
              Stephenson	Riggs
              Stovey	Harry
              Street	Gabby
              Suhr	Gus
              Sukeforth	Clyde
              Suttles	Mule
              Sutton	Ezra
              Sweeney	Bill
              Tannehill	Jesse
              Taylor	Ben
              Tenney	Fred
              Terry	Bill
              Thevenow	Tommy
              Thomas	Ira
              Thompson	Sam
              Tiernan	Mike
              Tinker	Joe
              Toney	Fred
              Torriente	Cristobal
              Traynor	Pie
              Turner	Terry
              Uhle	George
              Van Haltren	George
              Vance	Dazzy
              Veach	Bobby
              Waddell	Rube
              Walberg	Rube
              Wallace	Bobby
              Walsh	Ed
              Wambsganss	Bill
              Waner	Lloyd
              Ward	John M.
              Warfield	Frank
              Welch	Mickey
              Werber	Billy
              West	Sam
              Wheat	Zack
              White	Deacon 
              White	Sol
              White	Will 
              Whitehill	Earl
              Williams	Cy
              Williams	Ken
              Williamson	Ned
              Willis	Vic
              Wilson	Hack
              Wilson	Jimmie
              Witt	Whitey
              Wood	Joe
              Wright	George
              Wright	Glenn
              Yerkes	Steve
              Youngs	Ross
              Zachary	Tom
              Zimmer	Chief
              Last edited by jalbright; 12-15-2012, 06:55 PM.
              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


              • #8
                My Ballot
                1. Bob Caruthers
                2. Mulle Suttles
                3. Tim Keefe
                4. Alejandro Oms
                5. Bill Dahlen
                6. Charlie Radbourn
                7. Cristobal Torriente
                8. Hughie Jennings
                9. Ed Walsh
                10. Fred Clarke
                11. Jesse Burkett
                12. Martin Dihigo
                13. Joe Cronin
                14. Willie Keeler
                15. Eddie Plank
                Last edited by jalbright; 12-15-2012, 07:05 PM.
                Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


                • #9
                  Sorry about the later than usual start, but we will have another week on the back end due to the holidays, so it should all be good.
                  Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                  Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                  A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


                  • #10
                    1. Three Finger Brown
                    2. Cristobal Torriente
                    3. Gabby Hartnett
                    4. Cool Papa Bell
                    5. Ed Walsh
                    6. Tim Keefe
                    7. Jesse Burkett
                    8. Jim Bottomley
                    9. Zack Wheat
                    10. Judy Johnson
                    11. Pie Traynor
                    12. Willie Keeler
                    13. Goose Goslin
                    14. Martin Dihigo
                    15. Sam Rice
                    Last edited by chicagowhitesox1173; 12-17-2012, 01:19 PM.
                    "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                    "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)


                    • #11

                      1. King Kelly
                      2. Jim O'Rourke
                      3. Goose Goslin
                      4. Joe Cronin
                      5. Zach Wheat
                      6. Ross Barnes
                      7. Mule Suttles
                      8. Bill Dahlen
                      9. Gabby Hartnett
                      10. Tim Keefe
                      11. Bob Caruthers
                      12. Buck Ewing
                      13. Willie Keeler
                      14. Eddie Plank
                      15. Jesse Burkett


                      1. Jim Creighton
                      2. Frank Selee
                      3. Ed Barrow
                      4. Al Reach
                      5. J.L. Wilkinson
                      6. TBD in next applicable election


                      • #12
                        1. Cool Papa Bell
                        2. Gabby Hartnett
                        3. Buck Ewing
                        4. Eddie Plank
                        5. Mordecai Brown
                        6. Martin DiHigo
                        7. Mule Suttles
                        8. Goose Goslin
                        9. Tim Keefe
                        10. Zack Wheat
                        11. King Kelly
                        12. Ed Walsh
                        13. Cristobal Torriente
                        14. Charlie Radbourn
                        15. Bill Dahlen

                        1. Bill Klem
                        2. George Wright
                        3. Frank Selee
                        4. Ed Barrow
                        5. Ned Hanlon
                        6. Francis Richter
                        Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
                        Joe Gary MCA Emanuel Sonny Dave Earl Stan
                        Jonathan Neil Roger Anthony Ray Thomas Art Don
                        Gates Philip John Warrior Rik Casey Tony Horace
                        Robin Bill Ernie JEDI


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
                          4. Frankie Frisch
                          Frisch has already been inducted. Your ballot will count even if you don't address this, with everyone below Frisch moving up a spot and the last spot staying open. That said, it would be preferable for you to fix it. I'll PM you about this as well.
                          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


                          • #14
                            1. Shoeless Joe Jackson
                            2. Tim Keefe
                            3. Gabby Hartnett
                            4. Joe Cronin
                            5. Goose Goslin
                            6. Mule Suttles
                            7. Eddie Plank
                            8. Buck Ewing
                            9. Bill Dahlen
                            10. King Kelly
                            11. Elmer Flick
                            12. Zack Wheat
                            13. Dazzy Vance
                            14. Bob Caruthers
                            15. Martin Dihigo
                            "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

                            - Alvin Dark


                            • #15
                              1. Mordecai Brown
                              2. King Kelly
                              3. Eddie Plank
                              4. Buck Ewing
                              5. Gabby Hartnett
                              6. Cool Papa Bell
                              7. Sam Rice
                              8. Tim Keefe
                              9. Zack Wheat
                              10. Fred Clarke
                              11. Goose Goslin
                              12. Willie Keeler
                              13. Jake Beckley
                              14. Jim Bottomley
                              15. Bill Dahlen


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