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  • Which of these is Most Likely to End up in HOF?

    Out of these active players, pick the one that is most likely on a HOF path.
    24
    Mark Teixeira
    8.33%
    2
    Johan Santana
    4.17%
    1
    Todd Helton
    41.67%
    10
    Andruw Jones
    12.50%
    3
    Tim Hudson
    4.17%
    1
    Lance Berkman
    8.33%
    2
    Mark Buehrle
    4.17%
    1
    Jason Giambi
    0.00%
    0
    David Ortiz
    16.67%
    4
    Matt Holliday
    0.00%
    0
    Rest in Peace Jose Fernandez (1992-2016)

  • #2
    I think Johan Santana compares very favorably with Sandy Koufax and on the strength of his amazing peak, he deserves to make it. He's probably not going to make it, though.

    The question in this thread is who is most likely to actually end up in the HOF, and I would have to go with Todd Helton.
    My top 10 players:

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Barry Bonds
    3. Ty Cobb
    4. Ted Williams
    5. Willie Mays
    6. Alex Rodriguez
    7. Hank Aaron
    8. Honus Wagner
    9. Lou Gehrig
    10. Mickey Mantle

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    • #3
      I picked Teixeira. He was the only one on the list where I didn't see any obvious issues. Santana was too hurt.

      Helton will be penalized for his Coors play.

      Andruw Jones fell off a cliff, had to sign in Japan to get playing time, and is now possibly getting a divorce that'll stick with him.

      Tim Hudson didn't win enough games and didn't get any awards.

      Berkman's best days were with the Astros when he only won one pennant with the team in 2005, but maybe he's getting a better Hall of Fame resume with the Cardinals.

      Mark Buerhle is only an innings-eater.

      Giambi has a PED admission.

      Ortiz is popular, but has PED stains and will probably have an Edgar Martinez DH rep.

      And I may be making this up, but it seems that Holliday has a reputation that he can't hit outside of Coors.

      The only problem I see with Teixeira is that he slumps in the first half. So he gets my vote.
      46 wins to match last year's total

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post

        Mark Buerhle is only an innings-eater.

        .
        With a career 120 ERA+? Only an innings eater? He isn't in my HOF, but when you get upwards of 3,000 IP and an ERA+ still over 115, you are a heck of a good pitcher. Guys like Bender and Chesbro and Hunter couldn't even manage that.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
          I picked Teixeira. He was the only one on the list where I didn't see any obvious issues. Santana was too hurt.

          Helton will be penalized for his Coors play.

          Andruw Jones fell off a cliff, had to sign in Japan to get playing time, and is now possibly getting a divorce that'll stick with him.

          Tim Hudson didn't win enough games and didn't get any awards.

          Berkman's best days were with the Astros when he only won one pennant with the team in 2005, but maybe he's getting a better Hall of Fame resume with the Cardinals.

          Mark Buerhle is only an innings-eater.

          Giambi has a PED admission.

          Ortiz is popular, but has PED stains and will probably have an Edgar Martinez DH rep.

          And I may be making this up, but it seems that Holliday has a reputation that he can't hit outside of Coors.

          The only problem I see with Teixeira is that he slumps in the first half. So he gets my vote.
          Teixeira's also been rapidly declining since joining the Yankees. He was a legitimate MVP candidate in 2009 but he's been a .250 hitter the past 3 seasons and his production is getting worse every year. He's a first baseman, known for power and he's hitting in a favorable ballpark, yet his slugging % has been under .500 each of the past three seasons. His OBP has also been taking a nosedive since joining the Yankees and has dropped in every season from .383 in his excellent 2009 campaign down to .332 in 2012. He's be only 33 years old next season, but based on the trends of the past four seasons, the future doesn't look very bright for Tex.
          Last edited by GiambiJuice; 01-02-2013, 02:30 PM.
          My top 10 players:

          1. Babe Ruth
          2. Barry Bonds
          3. Ty Cobb
          4. Ted Williams
          5. Willie Mays
          6. Alex Rodriguez
          7. Hank Aaron
          8. Honus Wagner
          9. Lou Gehrig
          10. Mickey Mantle

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
            And I may be making this up, but it seems that Holliday has a reputation that he can't hit outside of Coors.

            .
            Considering that in four seasons away from Coors he has 3 ASG appearances, a Silver Slugger, and MVP votes in two seasons, it looks like you are making it up.
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            • #7
              Triple post???? That is a first.
              Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 01-02-2013, 02:33 PM.
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              • #8
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
                  Considering that in four seasons away from Coors he has 3 ASG appearances, a Silver Slugger, and MVP votes in two seasons, it looks like you are making it up.
                  Yeah, Holliday has shaken that stigma. Everyone knows he's a great hitter but he has no shot at the Hall of Fame because he won't have the counting stats. He'll be lucky to get to 2,700 hits and 350 home runs.
                  My top 10 players:

                  1. Babe Ruth
                  2. Barry Bonds
                  3. Ty Cobb
                  4. Ted Williams
                  5. Willie Mays
                  6. Alex Rodriguez
                  7. Hank Aaron
                  8. Honus Wagner
                  9. Lou Gehrig
                  10. Mickey Mantle

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                    Yeah, Holliday has shaken that stigma. Everyone knows he's a great hitter but he has no shot at the Hall of Fame because he won't have the counting stats. He'll be lucky to get to 2,700 hits and 350 home runs.
                    Yes, his HOF shot is small.
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                    • #11
                      I would say either Santana or Jones.
                      Chop! Chop! Chop!

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                      • #12
                        i went a little counter-intuitive with today's news on a. jones. His hitting resume is strong and with all of his gold gloves, he'll look pretty solid on paper. His recent struggles aside, playing in Japan next year and his wife filing for divorce after an alleged incident. It doesn't look good today, but that may be a roberto alomar footnote when looked at 5 years from now or even more. He may get in better shape in Japan and have 2 more seasons in the u.s. If he does that path, then no one will really remember this blip against him.

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                        • #13
                          I'm going with Helton. The franchise has been around for 20 years now, and somebody will have to go in as a Rockie eventually. I'd like to see it be somebody they drafted and groomed who became a lifer for the team.
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                          • #14
                            Of the choices listed, only Mark Tiexiera and Lance Berkman appear likely.

                            Helton played in Coors Field, with no MVP award and no World Series ring. Santana and Andruw Jones fell off in their early 30s. Hudson and Buerhle are good players but not Hall of Fame level. Giambi and Ortiz have the steroid cloud over their heads. Holliday, I don't know.

                            I say Tiexiera is the most likely.

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                            • #15
                              Obviously my instinct impressions weren't very good.

                              I was beaten down with Andruw's Dale Murphy-like crash, but he could salvage something.

                              Looks like that Teixeira's doubles power has been sapped and that's his problem. Be that as it may, teams would kill for a good season like he had.

                              It was dismissive of Buehrle for me to say what I did, but I do view him like Javier Vazquez and Tim Hudson. He has to turn in some unexpected super years to boost his case at this point.

                              Ultimately, I still think Teixiera has the best case because he hasn't had that severe crash yet and I think he has the ability to hold his line of production.
                              46 wins to match last year's total

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