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  • #16
    Juan Pierre - 1 Lotsa of at bats, longer career. There ya go.
    Juan Gonzalez 2 Monster hitter when he cared.
    Ken Griffey Jr 5 Top 50 player, at least.
    Lance Berkman 3 Glad he got a ring. Needs a couple more good seasons.
    Larry Jackson 1
    Luis Gonzalez 2 Big seasons at, uh, the wrong time to have big seasons. Needed big season when everytone wasn't suspect. Did not.
    Matt Williams 3 Top slugging third baseman.
    Miguel Tejada 3 Productive SS for a long time.
    Mike Garcia 1
    Mike Piazza 5 Not great defensively, but not bad in some areas. Too much offense to ignore.
    Randy Myers 2 Falls short of closers in the HOF discussion
    Reggie Smith 3 Fine player, but never a stand out. If stuck arond and hit like Rice did for a few seasons in Boston would be in HOF
    Riggs Stephenson 1 Good part-time player.
    Rob Nen 2 Good closer for a while
    Robin Ventura 3 A bit better offense and he might be in
    Rocky Colavito 3 Just short of mark but desrves a look
    Ron Cey 3 Would be a 4 if he had two legs
    Steve Finley 3 Steady but not great enough
    Thurman Munson 3 Top notch catcher who could have used a few years away from behind the plate to pad numbers. Still a shock
    Tommy Bridges 2
    Tony Fernandez 3 As Dave Concepcion case grows interest so should his
    Trevor Hoffman 4 The numbers will get him in
    Troy Percival 2
    Wes Ferrell 4 better than many in his era who are in, added offense puts him over top
    Wilbur Wood 2 workhorse should be better known
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    Robin Bill Ernie JEDI

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    • #17
      Originally posted by dgarza View Post
      Well, let's not pretend that Ferrell was the only one out there doing this. There were several other teams that had, in their prime, similar hitting pitchers. Red Ruffing, Red Lucas, George Uhle, Jack Scott, Walter Johnson, etc.

      I don't mean to dismiss his offensive value, for he was likely the best hitting pitcher of his time, but let's give credit were credit is due to these other pitchers.
      Johnson's career barely overlapped, but the others wee great hitters too. Well, Scott shouldn't be on the list either. Uhle and Lucas are near Ferrell's level. A little hyperbole, I guess.
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      • #18
        Juan Pierre - 3 ... a dark, darkhorse candidate.
        Juan Gonzalez - 3 ... I'm not opposed to his election entirely.
        Ken Griffey Jr - 5 ... first balloter.
        Lance Berkman - 3 ... if he keeps going and doesn't retire, he has a shot.
        Larry Jackson - 2 ... a great player, but not long enough.
        Luis Gonzalez - 2 ... didn't stand out during his time.
        Matt Williams - 2 ... not doing it for me.
        Miguel Tejada - 3 ... not a bad player at all.
        Mike Garcia - 1 ... I don't see a case.
        Mike Piazza - 5 ... should get in this year, but he won't.
        Randy Myers - 2 ... a good closer in the era of closers.
        Reggie Smith - 3 ... I can see a case, but he doesn't have the 'star' aura about him.
        Riggs Stephenson - 2 ... high average, that's about it.
        Rob Nen - 2 ... didn't do quite enough.
        Robin Ventura - 2 ... another good third baseman.
        Rocky Colavito - 2 ... high 2, low 3.
        Ron Cey - 2 ... good third baseman, not stellar.
        Steve Finley - 3 ... he has the resume of a VC pick down the line.
        Thurman Munson - 3 ... I have him in my personal Hall of Fame, some of the time.
        Tommy Bridges - 2 ... he gets some support around here...but not from me.
        Tony Fernandez - 2 ...not bad, not stellar.
        Trevor Hoffman - 4 ... not the greatest closer, but he ranks near the top.
        Troy Percival - 2 ... good closer.
        Wes Ferrell - 2 ... I'm not on the Wes Ferrell love train.
        Wilbur Wood - 2 ... a good starter and a good reliever who pitched forever.

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        • #19
          Sorry that I've been gone for a few weeks. My puter caught a virus. Here's one last chance to rate these guys
          This week's Giant

          #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

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          • #20
            Juan Pierre 1
            Juan Gonzalez 2
            Ken Griffey Jr 5
            Lance Berkman 3
            Larry Jackson 1
            Luis Gonzalez 2
            Matt Williams 3
            Miguel Tejada 3
            Mike Garcia 2
            Mike Piazza 5
            Randy Myers 3
            Reggie Smith 3
            Riggs Stephenson 1
            Rob Nen 1
            Robin Ventura 3
            Rocky Colavito 2
            Ron Cey 2
            Steve Finley 2
            Thurman Munson 3
            Tommy Bridges 3
            Tony Fernandez 1
            Trevor Hoffman 5
            Troy Percival 1
            Wes Ferrell 4
            Wilbur Wood 3

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            • #21
              Juan Pierre - 2
              Juan Gonzalez - 1
              Ken Griffey Jr - 5
              Lance Berkman - 4
              Larry Jackson - 1
              Luis Gonzalez - 1
              Matt Williams - 1
              Miguel Tejada - 1
              Mike Garcia - 1
              Mike Piazza - 5
              Randy Myers - 2
              Reggie Smith - 3
              Riggs Stephenson - 2
              Rob Nen - 1
              Robin Ventura - 3
              Rocky Colavito - 2
              Ron Cey - 3
              Steve Finley - 1
              Thurman Munson - 3
              Tommy Bridges - 2
              Tony Fernandez - 2
              Trevor Hoffman - 4
              Troy Percival - 2
              Wes Ferrell - 3
              Wilbur Wood - 2
              "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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              • #22
                [QUOTE]

                Here you have it, more perspective HOFers to rate. Thanks for all the parcipitation. I just posted the rankings of the first 175. As usual the scale is:

                5-Why is he not in? (if he was eligible)
                4- Has a good case
                3- marginal, has some merit
                2-comes up short
                1-are you kidding me?

                Here are the players. As always, I really like when posters add comments to their rankings.

                Juan Pierre - 1
                Juan Gonzalez - 2 would be a 3-4 withouth PED
                Ken Griffey Jr - 5 duh
                Lance Berkman - 4, maybe a 3.5 but I think he's got another 2 all star caliber 2011 type years in him. Hitting in Texas should help a ton. Perceived as clean, his rate stats need to hold up while he adds to his counting numbers. Always one of my favs
                Larry Jackson - 2
                Luis Gonzalez -2 Went from rafael palmeiro to RAFAEL PALMEIRO. Stinks of PEDs
                Matt Williams -2 Solid player with too many injuries
                Miguel Tejada -2 Overrated
                Mike Garcia - 2
                Mike Piazza - 5 Should make it in 2014
                Randy Myers - 2
                Reggie Smith - 3 Another 3.5 guy. Really surprised every time I look at his numbers.
                Riggs Stephenson - 2
                Rob Nen - 2
                Robin Ventura - 3 Aged poorly but very solid glove.
                Rocky Colavito - 3 On track for 500 HR and hit a brick wall at 32. According to my dad, the best arm he ever saw.
                Ron Cey - 2
                Steve Finley - 2
                Thurman Munson - 3
                Tommy Bridges - 3
                Tony Fernandez - 2
                Trevor Hoffman - 4 He'll get in, probably first ballot too.
                Troy Percival - 2
                Wes Ferrell - 3
                Wilbur Wood - 2

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                • #23
                  Juan Pierre - 1
                  Juan Gonzalez - 2
                  Ken Griffey Jr - 5
                  Lance Berkman - 4
                  Larry Jackson - 3
                  Luis Gonzalez -2
                  Matt Williams - 3
                  Miguel Tejada - 2
                  Mike Garcia - 2
                  Mike Piazza - 5
                  Randy Myers - 2
                  Reggie Smith - 4
                  Riggs Stephenson
                  Rob Nen - 2
                  Robin Ventura - 3
                  Rocky Colavito - 3
                  Ron Cey - 3
                  Steve Finley - 2
                  Thurman Munson - 4
                  Tommy Bridges - 3
                  Tony Fernandez - 3
                  Trevor Hoffman - 4
                  Troy Percival - 3
                  Wes Ferrell - 3
                  Wilbur Wood - 3

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                  • #24
                    5-Why is he not in? (if he was eligible)
                    4- Has a good case
                    3- marginal, has some merit
                    2-comes up short
                    1-are you kidding me?

                    Here are the players. As always, I really like when posters add comments to their rankings.

                    Juan Pierre- 1.5- longevity, speed, at best average at everything else
                    Juan Gonzalez- 3- based on on-field performance- below the line for me
                    Ken Griffey Jr- 5- big, long fade but still a great player
                    Lance Berkman- 3- don't think he'll get in, but has had a fine career
                    Larry Jackson- 2- good pitcher for quite a few years
                    Luis Gonzalez- 2- good player, not enough
                    Matt Williams- 3- won't get in, but very good
                    Miguel Tejada- 2.5
                    Mike Garcia- 2- short career but very good pitcher
                    Mike Piazza- 5- great offense, not quite as bad defensively as reputed by some
                    Randy Myers- 2
                    Reggie Smith- 3- very good player for a long time- won't get in, but was very valuable
                    Riggs Stephenson- good player, short career
                    Rob Nen- 1.5- fast burnout
                    Robin Ventura- 2.5
                    Rocky Colavito- 2.5- good player, nedded another couple of seasons to have a shot
                    Ron Cey- 3
                    Steve Finley- 2
                    Thurman Munson- 3- very good player- top 20 catcher, can make a pretty good case
                    Tommy Bridges- 2.5- good pitcher, needed more counting numbers
                    Tony Fernandez- 2
                    Trevor Hoffman- 4- definitely will get in- probably one of top 5 or 6 relievers
                    Troy Percival- 1.5
                    Wes Ferrell- 3.5- over the line for me
                    Wilbur Wood- 2.5- good pitcher, falls a little short

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                    • #25
                      Juan Pierre 2 not that bad
                      Juan Gonzalez 4 HOF slugging numbers
                      Ken Griffey Jr 5 he's in
                      Lance Berkman 2 good stick, but not enough
                      Larry Jackson 2 OK for awhile
                      Luis Gonzalez 3 up and down, had some big years
                      Matt Williams 4 I'm upgrading him and saying "yes"
                      Miguel Tejada 3 closer than you think
                      Mike Garcia 2 but have some fine years
                      Mike Piazza 5 best hitting C ever
                      Randy Myers 3 top closer but don't like RP
                      Reggie Smith 3 just not there
                      Riggs Stephenson 2 not enough
                      Rob Nen 2 not near enough
                      Robin Ventura 3 good numbers for a 3B
                      Rocky Colavito 3 great slugger faded early
                      Ron Cey 2 overrated
                      Steve Finley 2 just no
                      Thurman Munson 4 YES HOFER
                      Tommy Bridges 2 not there
                      Tony Fernandez 2 faded early
                      Trevor Hoffman 4 elite
                      Troy Percival 1 not elite
                      Wes Ferrell 2 not sold him
                      Wilbur Wood 2 amazing seasons, but not many of them
                      This week's Giant

                      #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

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                      • #26
                        Juan Pierre 1 not a hof
                        Juan Gonzalez 2-Rice ish, but a Roider
                        Ken Griffey Jr 5 he's a classic grade A hof
                        Lance Berkman 2 good but not enough counting stats.
                        Larry Jackson 2 OK for awhile
                        Luis Gonzalez 2-Roider. No.
                        Matt Williams 2-Ditto. No
                        Miguel Tejada 2 Another good player not gonna get in.
                        Mike Garcia 1- he was ok but no Hof
                        Mike Piazza 5 best hitting C ever
                        Randy Myers 1 ha ha, no.
                        Reggie Smith 3 just not there
                        Riggs Stephenson 2 basically Manush but w half the run.
                        Rob Nen 1 again, no
                        Robin Ventura 3 good numbers for a 3B
                        Rocky Colavito 3 great slugger faded early
                        Ron Cey 2 really liked him, but no
                        Steve Finley 2 just no. Roider
                        Thurman Munson 2 not likely
                        Tommy Bridges 2 not there
                        Tony Fernandez 1 not enough
                        Trevor Hoffman 3 sure
                        Troy Percival 2 maybe. Didn't do it long enough
                        Wes Ferrell 3 yeah he's a hof
                        Wilbur Wood 2 good but Houghish.

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