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  • Dead-ball Era Hof: Round 3

    Thanks again to all who voted. Unfortunately I did not accept one because the issue was never resolved.


    For this project, the dead-ball era is defined as the period in baseball from 1900-1919. My intent is to create a HoF solely on the players within its bounds. There will be about 150 when we're done.

    All you have to do is submit a ballot of 15 players. Each round we will induct the 10 most vote-getters of everyone's ballots. In subsequent rounds, you replenish your ballots with more players. Your ballots should be prioritized in by how strongly you want a player to get in. The first five of your ballot receive 3 points, then next 5 receive 2 points, and the next 5 receive one point. As we go along, the guys in the lower tiers will be bumped up and receive more points. For example:

    #5- Bob (3 points)
    #6- Bill (2 points)

    Assuming Bob is elected in Round 1, you'll most likely bump Bill to the #5 slot in Round 2, which rewards him 3 points instead of 2. Then maybe you bump the #15 guy, Steve, to #14, allowing you to select a new player for your #15 slot.

    A player qualifies for this project if: he had at least 2500 PA or 1500 IP during the years 1900-1919 OR he spent his entire career within the confines of the 1900-1919 period. The only exception is Smoky Joe Wood. Please consider the entire career (NL, AL, FL) of the player. Banned players (Joe Jackson) are eligible. When you submit your ballots, please separate the players in the mentioned tiers. I also ask that you alphabetize them by last name within these tiers (see mine).

    Courtesy of user DJC, this is everyone eligible. I also added Smoky Joe Wood, as he is the ONLY exception. Remember, other players are eligible if they spent their entire careers in the span. Asterisks denote induction

    Code:
    Ed Abbaticchio (1897-1910)
    Babe Adams (1906-1926)
    Pete Alexander (1911-1930)**
    Red Ames (1903-1919)
    John Anderson (1894-1908)
    Jimmy Archer (1904-1918)
    Jimmy Austin (1909-1929)
    Home Run Baker (1908-1922)**
    Dave Bancroft (1915-1930)
    Jimmy Barrett (1899-1908)
    Jack Barry (1908-1919)
    Shad Barry (1899-1908)
    Johnny Bates (1906-1914)
    Harry Bay (1901-1908)
    Ginger Beaumont (1899-1910)
    Beals Becker (1908-1915)
    Jake Beckley (1888-1907)
    Chief Bender (1903-1925)
    Rube Benton (1910-1925)
    Bill Bergen (1901-1911)
    Bill Bernhard (1899-1907)
    Bob Bescher (1908-1918)
    Joe Birmingham (1906-1914)
    Ping Bodie (1911-1921)
    Frank Bowerman (1895-1909)
    Bill Bradley (1899-1915)
    Dave Brain (1901-1908)
    Kitty Bransfield (1898-1911)
    Roger Bresnahan (1897-1915)
    Al Bridwell (1905-1915)
    Mordecai Brown (1903-1916)**
    George Browne (1901-1912)
    Jesse Burkett (1890-1905)
    George Burns (1911-1925)
    George Burns (1914-1929)
    Donie Bush (1908-1923)
    Bobby Byrne (1907-1917)
    Ray Caldwell (1910-1921)
    Jimmy Callahan (1894-1913)
    Howie Camnitz (1904-1915)
    Max Carey (1910-1929)
    Doc Casey (1898-1907)
    Frank Chance (1898-1914)
    Ray Chapman (1912-1920)
    Hal Chase (1905-1919)
    Larry Cheney (1911-1919)
    Jack Chesbro (1899-1909)
    Eddie Cicotte (1905-1920)
    Fred Clarke (1894-1915)**
    Ty Cobb (1905-1928)**
    Eddie Collins (1906-1930)**
    Jimmy Collins (1895-1908)**
    Shano Collins (1910-1925)
    Wid Conroy (1901-1911)
    Duff Cooley (1893-1905)
    Jack Coombs (1906-1920)
    Wilbur Cooper (1912-1926)
    Tommy Corcoran (1890-1907)
    Bill Coughlin (1899-1908)
    Gavvy Cravath (1908-1920)
    Sam Crawford (1899-1917)**
    Birdie Cree (1908-1915)
    Lou Criger (1896-1912)
    Lave Cross (1887-1907)
    Monte Cross (1892-1907)
    George Cutshaw (1912-1923)
    Bill Dahlen (1891-1911)**
    Jake Daubert (1910-1924)
    Hooks Dauss (1912-1926)
    Dave Davenport (1914-1919)
    George Davis (1890-1909)**
    Harry Davis (1895-1917)
    Jim Delahanty (1901-1915)
    Art Devlin (1904-1913)
    Bill Dinneen (1898-1909)
    Bill Doak (1912-1929)
    John Dobbs (1901-1905)
    Cozy Dolan (1895-1906)
    Jiggs Donahue (1900-1909)
    Red Donahue (1893-1906)
    Mike Donlin (1899-1914)
    Bill Donovan (1898-1918)
    Patsy Donovan (1890-1907)
    Red Dooin (1902-1916)
    Mickey Doolin (1905-1918)
    Patsy Dougherty (1902-1911)
    Larry Doyle (1907-1920)
    Bill Duggleby (1898-1907)
    Dick Egan (1908-1916)
    Kid Elberfeld (1898-1914)
    Clyde Engle (1909-1916)
    Steve Evans (1908-1915)
    Johnny Evers (1902-1929)
    Bob Ewing (1902-1912)
    Cy Falkenberg (1903-1917)
    Happy Felsch (1915-1920)
    Hobe Ferris (1901-1909)
    Ray Fisher (1910-1920)
    Max Flack (1914-1925)
    Art Fletcher (1909-1922)
    Elmer Flick (1898-1910)
    Eddie Foster (1910-1923)
    Chick Fraser (1896-1909)
    Buck Freeman (1891-1907)
    Chick Gandil (1910-1919)
    John Ganzel (1898-1908)
    Larry Gardner (1908-1924)
    Doc Gessler (1903-1911)
    George Gibson (1905-1918)
    Billy Gilbert (1901-1909)
    Kid Gleason (1888-1912)
    Wilbur Good (1905-1918)
    Jack Graney (1908-1922)
    Eddie Grant (1905-1915)
    Danny Green (1898-1905)
    Tommy Griffith (1913-1925)
    Heinie Groh (1912-1927)
    Bob Groom (1909-1918)
    Noodles Hahn (1899-1906)
    Earl Hamilton (1911-1924)
    Bob Harmon (1909-1918)
    Topsy Hartsel (1898-1911)
    Roy Hartzell (1906-1916)
    Emmet Heidrick (1898-1908)
    Charlie Hemphill (1899-1911)
    Claude Hendrix (1911-1920)
    Buck Herzog (1908-1920)
    Charlie Hickman (1897-1908)
    Bill Hinchman (1905-1920)
    Dick Hoblitzell (1908-1918)
    Danny Hoffman (1903-1911)
    Solly Hofman (1903-1916)
    Harry Hooper (1909-1925)
    Harry Howell (1898-1910)
    Miller Huggins (1904-1916)
    Tom Hughes (1900-1913)
    John Hummel (1905-1918)
    Frank Isbell (1898-1909)
    Shoeless Joe Jackson (1908-1920)**
    Doc Johnston (1909-1922)
    Walter Johnson (1907-1927)**
    Davy Jones (1901-1918)
    Fielder Jones (1896-1915)
    Tom Jones (1902-1910)
    Addie Joss (1902-1910)
    Benny Kauff (1912-1920)
    Willie Keeler (1892-1910)
    Joe Kelley (1891-1908)
    Bill Killefer (1909-1921)
    Ed Killian (1903-1910)
    Frank Kitson (1898-1907)
    Johnny Kling (1900-1913)
    Otto Knabe (1905-1916)
    John Knight (1905-1913)
    Ed Konetchy (1907-1921)
    Nap Lajoie (1896-1916)**
    Frank LaPorte (1905-1915)
    Doc Lavan (1913-1924)
    Tommy Leach (1898-1918)
    Sam Leever (1898-1910)
    Nemo Leibold (1913-1925)
    Lefty Leifield (1905-1920)
    Dutch Leonard (1913-1925)
    Duffy Lewis (1910-1921)
    Hans Lobert (1903-1917)
    Bris Lord (1905-1913)
    Harry Lord (1907-1915)
    Bobby Lowe (1890-1907)
    Fred Luderus (1909-1920)
    Harry Lumley (1904-1910)
    Lee Magee (1911-1919)
    Sherry Magee (1904-1919)
    Billy Maloney (1901-1908)
    Les Mann (1913-1928)
    Rabbit Maranville (1912-1935)
    Rube Marquard (1908-1925)
    Armando Marsans (1911-1918)
    Christy Mathewson (1900-1916)**
    George McBride (1901-1920)
    Jack McCarthy (1893-1907)
    Dan McGann (1896-1908)
    Joe McGinnity (1899-1908)
    Stuffy McInnis (1909-1927)
    Harry McIntire (1905-1913)
    Matty McIntyre (1901-1912)
    Bill McKechnie (1907-1920)
    Larry McLean (1901-1915)
    George McQuillan (1907-1918)
    Fred Merkle (1907-1926)
    Sam Mertes (1896-1906)
    Chief Meyers (1909-1917)
    Clyde Milan (1907-1922)
    Dots Miller (1909-1921)
    Ward Miller (1909-1917)
    Mike Mitchell (1907-1914)
    Willie Mitchell (1909-1919)
    Danny Moeller (1907-1916)
    Earl Moore (1901-1914)
    Herbie Moran (1908-1915)
    Pat Moran (1901-1914)
    Ray Morgan (1911-1918)
    George Moriarty (1903-1916)
    Mike Mowrey (1905-1917)
    George Mullin (1902-1915)
    Danny Murphy (1900-1915)
    Eddie Murphy (1912-1926)
    Red Murray (1906-1917)
    Hi Myers (1909-1925)
    Harry Niles (1906-1910)
    Rebel Oakes (1909-1915)
    Rube Oldring (1905-1918)
    Charley O'Leary (1904-1934)
    Ivy Olson (1911-1924)
    Steve O'Neill (1911-1928)
    Al Orth (1895-1909)
    Orval Overall (1905-1913)
    Freddy Parent (1899-1911)
    Dode Paskert (1907-1921)
    Casey Patten (1901-1908)
    Roger Peckinpaugh (1910-1927)
    Barney Pelty (1903-1912)
    Jeff Pfeffer (1911-1924)
    Deacon Phillippe (1899-1911)
    Ollie Pickering (1896-1908)
    Wally Pipp (1913-1928)
    Togie Pittinger (1900-1907)
    Eddie Plank (1901-1917)**
    Jack Powell (1897-1912)
    Del Pratt (1912-1924)
    Jack Quinn (1909-1933)
    Pat Ragan (1909-1923)
    Bill Rariden (1909-1920)
    Ed Reulbach (1905-1917)
    Bob Rhoads (1902-1909)
    Claude Ritchey (1897-1909)
    Braggo Roth (1914-1921)
    Edd Roush (1913-1931)
    Nap Rucker (1907-1916)
    Dick Rudolph (1910-1927)
    Vic Saier (1911-1919)
    Slim Sallee (1908-1921)
    Germany Schaefer (1901-1918)
    Ray Schalk (1912-1929)
    Wally Schang (1913-1931)
    Ossee Schrecongost (1897-1908)
    Frank Schulte (1904-1918)
    Everett Scott (1914-1926)
    Jim Scott (1909-1917)
    Kip Selbach (1894-1906)
    Socks Seybold (1899-1908)
    Cy Seymour (1896-1913)
    Howie Shanks (1912-1925)
    Spike Shannon (1904-1908)
    Jimmy Sheckard (1897-1913)
    Burt Shotton (1909-1923)
    Ed Siever (1901-1908)
    George Sisler (1915-1930)
    Jimmy Slagle (1899-1908)
    Frank Smith (1904-1915)
    Red Smith (1911-1919)
    Homer Smoot (1902-1906)
    Fred Snodgrass (1908-1916)
    Tully Sparks (1897-1910)
    Tris Speaker (1907-1928)**
    Chick Stahl (1897-1906)
    Jake Stahl (1903-1913)
    Oscar Stanage (1906-1925)
    Harry Steinfeldt (1898-1911)
    Casey Stengel (1912-1925)
    Milt Stock (1913-1926)
    George Stone (1903-1910)
    George Stovall (1904-1915)
    Sammy Strang (1896-1908)
    Amos Strunk (1908-1924)
    George Suggs (1908-1915)
    Billy Sullivan (1899-1916)
    Bill Sweeney (1907-1914)
    Jesse Tannehill (1894-1911)
    Lee Tannehill (1903-1912)
    Dummy Taylor (1900-1908)
    Jack Taylor (1898-1907)
    Fred Tenney (1894-1911)
    Jeff Tesreau (1912-1918)
    Roy Thomas (1899-1911)
    Joe Tinker (1902-1916)
    John Titus (1903-1913)
    Jack Tobin (1914-1927)
    Terry Turner (1901-1919)
    Lefty Tyler (1910-1921)
    Hippo Vaughn (1908-1921)
    Bobby Veach (1912-1925)
    Ossie Vitt (1912-1921)
    Rube Waddell (1897-1910)**
    Heinie Wagner (1902-1918)
    Honus Wagner (1897-1917)**
    Tillie Walker (1911-1923)
    Bobby Wallace (1894-1918)
    Ed Walsh (1904-1917)**
    Bill Wambsganss (1914-1926)
    Buck Weaver (1912-1920)
    Zack Wheat (1909-1927)
    Doc White (1901-1913)
    Possum Whitted (1912-1922)
    Ed Willett (1906-1915)
    Cy Williams (1912-1930)
    Jimmy Williams (1899-1909)
    Vic Willis (1898-1910)
    Chief Wilson (1908-1916)
    Hooks Wiltse (1904-1915)
    Ivey Wingo (1911-1929)
    George Winter (1901-1908)
    Harry Wolverton (1898-1912)
    Smoky Joe Wood (1908-1922)
    Steve Yerkes (1909-1916)
    Cy Young (1890-1911)**
    Ralph Young (1913-1922)
    Rollie Zeider (1910-1918)
    Heinie Zimmerman (1907-1919)

    The results of round two:

    Tyrus4189Cobb=A1
    DJC=A2
    bluesky5=A3
    PVNick=A4
    chicagowhitesox1173=A5
    herr28=A6
    Richard Stark=A7

    Code:
    		A1	A2	A3	A4	A5	A6	A7	Total
    baker		3	3	3	3	3	2	-	17
    bresnahan	1	-	1	-	-	2	3	7
    m brown		3	2	2	3	3	3	-	16
    burkett		-	-	2	1	2	1	-	6
    carey		-	-	-	1	-	-	1	2
    chance		1	1	-	-	-	-	-	2
    cicotte		2	-	-	-	-	-	2	4
    clarke		2	2	1	2	1	1	1	10
    j collins	1	-	2	2	-	-	3	8
    crawford	3	2	2	3	3	3	2	18
    dahlen		-	3	1	1	-	-	3	8
    davis		3	3	3	3	2	2	1	17
    doyle		1	-	-	-	-	2	-	3
    flick		-	1	-	1	1	-	1	4
    keeler		-	-	-	-	2	1	1	4
    magee		1	2	-	2	1	1	-	7
    mcginnity	-	-	3	-	-	2	2	7
    plank		3	3	1	3	3	3	-	16
    roush		-	-	-	-	1	1	2	4
    sisler		-	-	2	2	3	-	-	7
    tinker		-	1	-	-	-	-	2	1
    waddell		2	1	3	1	1	3	-	11
    wallace		-	3	-	-	-	-	3	6
    walsh		2	2	3	2	2	3	-	14
    wheat		2	1	1	-	2	-	-	6
    Thus we welcome Frank Baker, Three Finger Brown, Fred Clarke, Jimmy Collins, Sam Crawford, Bill Dahlen George Davis, Eddie Plank, Rube Waddell, and Ed Walsh to the Hall of Fame. Time for a new round of replenished ballots.
    Last edited by Tyrus4189Cobb; 01-09-2013, 09:45 AM.
    "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

  • #2
    Mine is still quite unofficial

    Tier One (3 Points Each)
    Bresnahan, Roger
    Chance, Frank
    Doyle, Larry
    Magee, Sherry
    Wheat, Zack

    Tier Two (2 Points Each)
    Burkett, Jessie
    Carey, Max
    Cicotte, Eddie
    Keeler, Willie
    Wallace, Bobby

    Tier Three (1 Point Each)
    Evers, Johnny
    McGinnity, Joe
    Roush, Edd
    Williams, Cy
    Wood, Smoky Joe
    Last edited by Tyrus4189Cobb; 01-08-2013, 08:00 PM.
    "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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    • #3
      A reminder that banned players (Jackson, Cicotte) are eligible for this project
      "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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      • #4
        Tier One (3 Points Each)
        Flick, Elmer
        Magee, Sherry
        Tinker, Joe
        Wallace, Bobby
        Wheat, Zack

        Tier Two (2 Points Each)
        Adams, Babe
        Chance, Frank
        Fletcher, Art
        Rucker, Nap
        Willis, Vic

        Tier Three (1 Point Each)
        Beckley, Jake
        Burkett, Jesse
        Groh, Heinie
        Hahn, Noodles
        McGinnity, Joe

        You might want to provide a list of everyone elected so far in the OP.
        *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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        • #5
          George Sisler
          Sherry Magee
          Jesse Burkett
          Max Carey
          Elmer Flick

          Willie Keeler
          Larry Doyle
          Boby Wallace
          Zack Wheat
          Joe Wood

          Dave Bancroft
          Jake Beckley
          Jake Daubert
          Joe McGinnity
          Edd Roush

          just missing on the final cut: Cicotte, Evers, Leach, penultimate cut included: Bresnahan, Groh, hahn, Joss, Kelley

          Ditto on the removing or asterisking or otherwise denoting those voted in. In a round or so the names won't be so obvious.

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          • #6
            Tier One -
            Frank Chance
            Larry Doyle
            Willie Keeler
            Sherry Magee
            George Sisler


            ------------------------------
            Tier Two -
            Roger Bresnahan
            Max Carey
            Edd Roush
            Bobby Wallace
            Zack Wheat


            ------------------------------
            Tier Three -
            Jesse Burkett
            Eddie Cicotte
            Heinie Groh
            Joe Jackson
            Joe McGinnity

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            • #7
              Awesome another ballot!
              "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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              • #8
                Tier One
                Joe Jackson
                Goerge Sisler
                Jesse Burkett
                Willie Keeler
                Zack Wheat

                Tier Two
                Sherry Magee
                Elmer Flick
                Ed Roush
                Max Carey
                Frank Chance

                Tier Three
                Larry Doyle
                Bobby Wallace
                Joe Tinker
                Joe McGinnity
                Babe Adams
                "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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