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    From Baseball-Reference.com:

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    Player	Votes	2013%	2012%
    
    Less than 75% of vote, but still on ballot.
    
    Craig Biggio	 388	 68.2%	1st Yr
    Jack Morris	 385	 67.7%	 66.7%
    Jeff Bagwell	 339	 59.6%	 56.0%
    Mike Piazza	 329	 57.8%	1st Yr
    Tim Raines	 297	 52.2%	 48.7%
    Lee Smith	 272	 47.8%	 50.6%
    Curt Schilling	 221	 38.8%	1st Yr
    Roger Clemens	 214	 37.6%	1st Yr
    Barry Bonds	 206	 36.2%	1st Yr
    Edgar Martinez	 204	 35.9%	 36.5%
    Alan Trammell	 191	33.6%	 36.8%
    Larry Walker	 123	21.6%	 22.9%
    Fred McGriff	 118	20.7%	 23.9%
    Dale Murphy**	 106	 18.6%	 14.5%
    Mark McGwire	 96	16.9%	 19.5%
    Don Mattingly	 75	13.2%	 17.8%
    Sammy Sosa	 71	12.5%	1st Yr
    Rafael Palmeiro	 50	 8.8%	 12.6%
    
    Less than 5%, will not be on next year's ballot
    
    Bernie Williams	 19	 3.3%	 9.6%
    Kenny Lofton	 18	 3.2%	1st Yr
    Sandy Alomar	 16	 2.8%	1st Yr
    Julio Franco	 6	 1.1%	1st Yr
    David Wells	 5	 0.9%	1st Yr
    Steve Finley	 4	 0.7%	1st Yr
    Shawn Green	 2	 0.4%	1st Yr
    Aaron Sele	 1	 0.2%	1st Yr
    Reggie Sanders	 0	 0.0%	1st Yr
    Jeff Cirillo	 0	 0.0%	1st Yr
    Woody Williams	 0	 0.0%	1st Yr
    Rondell White	 0	 0.0%	1st Yr
    Ryan Klesko	 0	 0.0%	1st Yr
    Roberto Hernandez	0	 0.0%	1st Yr
    Royce Clayton	 0	 0.0%	1st Yr
    Jeff Conine	 0	 0.0%	1st Yr
    Mike Stanton	 0	 0.0%	1st Yr
    Jose Mesa	 0	 0.0%	1st Yr
    Todd Walker	 0	 0.0%	1st Yr
    
    **15 yrs on ballot, will not be on next year's ballot

  • #2
    What a joke that these baseball "intellects" couldn't collectively elect ONE of many over-qualified players. This site is beginning to become my sanctuary from the reality that so many non players are morons.
    "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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    • #3
      One question has been answered. Earlier on the board discussing what steroid use would mean in the voting.
      Looks clear using did hurt some, the two biggest name Clemens and Bonds.

      The voters sent them a message, using cost you a first ballot entry.
      I think they get in later but it's so obvious for these two greats, using did cost them. Sit and wait.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View Post
        One question has been answered. Earlier on the board discussing what steroid use would mean in the voting.
        Looks clear using did hurt some, the two biggest name Clemens and Bonds.

        The voters sent them a message, using cost you a first ballot entry.
        I think they get in later but it's so obvious for these two greats, using did cost them. Sit and wait.
        The sucky part is, guys with very lose or no PED affiliation got punished for their transgressions too.
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        • #5
          Personally, I would have voted for Biggio, Piazza, and Schilling, but I'm fine with no one making it. The only ones who might suffer are the businesses in Cooperstown who rely on a big turnout over HOF weekend. If they survived '96, they'll survive this year, I reckon.

          Still scratching my head over how Shawn Green and Aaron Sele managed to get votes.

          The notion that PED use will only cost you your first year of eligibility is a misguided one, IMO. Just ask Mark McGwire.
          Last edited by 9&10; 01-09-2013, 12:19 PM.

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          • #6
            I'm fine with as well. Who ever said that there has to be a player inducted every year? To me this makes being elected a greater honor, i.e. it's not so easy to get in.

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            • #7
              Voting sux, Biggio, Piazza, Bags, Rocket Morris etc got hosed. Restructure the whole thing.

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              • #8
                I think that if Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson are not in the HOF, and McGwire clearly isn't going in, then Bonds and Clemens should not, either. I suspect that enough voters feel that way, and that those two players will not be honored, but that is just a hunch.

                Other hunches: Biggio should go in next year (although the 2014 first-year class of eligible players is daunting). Piazza and Bagwell almost certainly will go in eventually; sure, you hear some whispers about those guys, but they are not tainted in the way that Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, and Palmeiro are.

                Schilling has a good shot. I think Morris will fall shy again in his 15th year. So I think it is likely that there are four eventual Hall-of-Famers in this denied 2013 group.

                The Sporting News reports that there are 31 newly eligible players next year to join the 17 holdovers from this year.

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                • #9
                  To me, the biggest injustice is Kenny Lofton receiving less than 5% and falling off the ballot in his first year of eligibility. He is criminally underrated. Probably a better player than at least 7 CFers currently in the Hall. Certainly a better and more valuable player than Kirby Pucket, that's not even close.
                  My top 10 players:

                  1. Babe Ruth
                  2. Barry Bonds
                  3. Ty Cobb
                  4. Ted Williams
                  5. Willie Mays
                  6. Alex Rodriguez
                  7. Hank Aaron
                  8. Honus Wagner
                  9. Lou Gehrig
                  10. Mickey Mantle

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                    To me, the biggest injustice is Kenny Lofton receiving less than 5% and falling off the ballot in his first year of eligibility. He is criminally underrated. Probably a better player than at least 7 CFers currently in the Hall. Certainly a better and more valuable player than Kirby Pucket, that's not even close.
                    I would add Bernie to that. Maybe I am deluded in thinking Bernie wasn't fooling with magic potions but I think he got screwed by the generation in that he played in an "old" park and without enhancements so his numbers looked weak compared to his competition.

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                    • #11
                      I suspect that if the anti-roiders keep blocking guys like Piazza and Bagwell when there's nothing more than "suspicion" of sluggers, it will boomerang into making enough voters dismiss the issue entirely. I say this because their supporters can get outraged over their exclusion despite the lack of evidence against them, and throw in their lot with the known roiders like Bonds and Clemens to make the issue irrelevant.
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                        I would add Bernie to that. Maybe I am deluded in thinking Bernie wasn't fooling with magic potions but I think he got screwed by the generation in that he played in an "old" park and without enhancements so his numbers looked weak compared to his competition.
                        Bernie is probably my favorite all-time player, but I don't think he's a Hall Of Famer. He was an excellent and underrated hitter, but defensively is where Lofton really pulls away.

                        FWIW, I agree that Bernie was one of the LEAST likely stars of the late 90's to have been using PEDs. Not that we'll ever know.
                        My top 10 players:

                        1. Babe Ruth
                        2. Barry Bonds
                        3. Ty Cobb
                        4. Ted Williams
                        5. Willie Mays
                        6. Alex Rodriguez
                        7. Hank Aaron
                        8. Honus Wagner
                        9. Lou Gehrig
                        10. Mickey Mantle

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                          To me, the biggest injustice is Kenny Lofton receiving less than 5% and falling off the ballot in his first year of eligibility. He is criminally underrated. Probably a better player than at least 7 CFers currently in the Hall. Certainly a better and more valuable player than Kirby Pucket, that's not even close.
                          Agree 100%. But at least there's always Lloyd Waner.
                          "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                            I suspect that if the anti-roiders keep blocking guys like Piazza and Bagwell when there's nothing more than "suspicion" of sluggers, it will boomerang into making enough voters dismiss the issue entirely. I say this because their supporters can get outraged over their exclusion despite the lack of evidence against them, and throw in their lot with the known roiders like Bonds and Clemens to make the issue irrelevant.
                            Well, Piazza was in his first year of eligibility, and did reasonably well. Bagwell should be climbing faster or be in already, I agree.

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                            • #15
                              I'm disappointed.
                              Rest in Peace Jose Fernandez (1992-2016)

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