So next year, the ballot is even more loaded than this year. Who would you vote for? Pretend like this is the actual BBWAA election. You may choose up to 10. Included in the poll is everyone listed here.
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2014 BBWAA Election
591Moises Alou0.00%0Jeff Bagwell8.29%49Armando Benitez0.00%0Craig Biggio8.63%51Barry Bonds5.41%32Joe Borowski0.00%0Sean Casey0.00%0Roger Clemens5.41%32Ray Durham0.00%0Shawn Estes0.00%0Keith Foulke0.00%0Eric Gagne0.00%0Tom Glavine8.80%52Luis Gonzalez0.00%0Geoff Jenkins0.00%0Todd Jones0.00%0Jeff Kent2.54%15Jon Lieber0.00%0Paul Lo Duca0.00%0Esteban Loaiza0.00%0Greg Maddux9.98%59Edgar Martinez1.86%11Don Mattingly0.34%2Fred McGriff3.55%21Mark McGwire1.52%9Jack Morris1.86%11Matt Morris0.00%0Mike Mussina5.08%30Hideo Nomo0.17%1Rafael Palmeiro1.18%7Mike Piazza8.97%53Tim Raines6.60%39Kenny Rogers0.00%0Curt Schilling4.06%24Richie Sexson0.00%0Lee Smith0.34%2J.T. Snow0.00%0Sammy Sosa1.69%10Shannon Stewart0.00%0Frank Thomas8.80%52Mike Timlin0.00%0Alan Trammell3.55%21Jose Vidro0.00%0Larry Walker1.35%8Dmitri Young0.00%0Other (write in)0.00%0Last edited by Nerdlinger; 01-11-2013, 10:36 AM.*** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!Tags: None
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Bagwell
Biggio
Glavine
Maddux
Mussina
Piazza
Schilling
Thomas
Trammell
Walker
Raines is my #11, Martinez #12
Wow.....this was not easy, even after I excluded Clemens, Bonds, McGuire and Sosa. If you have those on your list plus McGriff, Smith and Morris, you have to skip even more talent.
I can see that a LOT of good players are going to drop off the ballot next year.... players that would have been elected before are going to drop.Last edited by drstrangelove; 01-11-2013, 10:41 AM."It's better to look good, than be good."
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Narrowing it down to just 10 is the hard part. IMO, there are 18 Hall-worthy candidates here. I can actually see why someone might not vote for a lock like Maddux. It's tactical voting. Since he's likely to get in without my vote, I could theoretically instead vote for someone who might fall off the ballot due to low support and/or their reaching 15 years. Alternately, I could avoid voting for someone like Trammell (even though I think he's worthy) because he probably doesn't stand a chance of being elected anyway before running out of time. Tough calls. Ultimately, I went for a mix of choices, with a lower priority placed on otherwise worthy confirmed roiders. There are so many great players here that I had to cut Biggio. I really would have liked to vote for Trammell, especially since I have him placed above a few players I did vote for, but in all likelihood, he'll end up a VC pick. Maybe he and Whitaker could go in together.*** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!
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There are 18 players who I would vote for if given the opportunity:
Bagwell, Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, Glavine, Kent, Maddux, McGriff, McGwire, Mussina, Palmeiro, Piazza, Raines, Schilling, Smith, Sosa, Thomas, Walker.
My first cuts are Smith and Walker. I like Smith a lot, but he's one of the weaker candidates I support. I like Walker a lot too, but he is largely a product of Coors Field. It pains me to cut a guy who, from 1997 to 2002, hit .353 with 182 home runs and 590 RBI, but I have to bring myself down to 10 players.
Next off the list is Sosa. He was a great player, but he is also one of the less stellar members of the 500 home run club. He struck out too much and was a liability defensively. I hope others don't follow my lead, it would be a shame if he fell below 5%.
Fred McGriff is next. Jeff Bagwell was at times a superstar during the '90s. McGriff was a steady performer, but he was never much of a superstar despite the numbers he put up.
I hate to drop Schilling, but he, too, must go. He was a steady, if inconsistent, pitcher through 2000, but he only became a veritable Hall of Famer after the turn of the century. His real reign of true, undeniable dominance was only four years or so.
Jeff Kent must depart, because like Schilling, he was steady but not great for a large chunk of his career.
Mussina departs too, but I must do it begrudgingly.
My final cut comes down to Tim Raines and McGwire. I chose to knock McGwire off my list, if only because he was a one-dimensional player as well. Raines could hit for average, he had some power, he was speedy...McGwire hit a lot of home runs.
I feel I should explain why I kept some players, too. Palmeiro doesn't go not only because has over 500 home runs and 3,000 hits, but I feel I must do my part to keep him over 5%. Bonds and Clemens don't get knocked for steroid use, since steroids were just a condition of the game, much like cocaine was in the '80s and greenies were in the '70s.
I really hate cutting Kent and Mussina, because they too don't deserve to fall off the ballot.
My ballot:
Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Palmeiro
Piazza
Raines
Thomas
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Originally posted by Cowtipper View PostThere are 18 players who I would vote for if given the opportunity:
Bagwell, Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, Glavine, Kent, Maddux, McGriff, McGwire, Mussina, Palmeiro, Piazza, Raines, Schilling, Smith, Sosa, Thomas, Walker.
My first cuts are Smith and Walker. I like Smith a lot, but he's one of the weaker candidates I support. I like Walker a lot too, but he is largely a product of Coors Field. It pains me to cut a guy who, from 1997 to 2002, hit .353 with 182 home runs and 590 RBI, but I have to bring myself down to 10 players.
Next off the list is Sosa. He was a great player, but he is also one of the less stellar members of the 500 home run club. He struck out too much and was a liability defensively. I hope others don't follow my lead, it would be a shame if he fell below 5%.
Fred McGriff is next. Jeff Bagwell was at times a superstar during the '90s. McGriff was a steady performer, but he was never much of a superstar despite the numbers he put up.
I hate to drop Schilling, but he, too, must go. He was a steady, if inconsistent, pitcher through 2000, but he only became a veritable Hall of Famer after the turn of the century. His real reign of true, undeniable dominance was only four years or so.
Jeff Kent must depart, because like Schilling, he was steady but not great for a large chunk of his career.
Mussina departs too, but I must do it begrudgingly.
My final cut comes down to Tim Raines and McGwire. I chose to knock McGwire off my list, if only because he was a one-dimensional player as well. Raines could hit for average, he had some power, he was speedy...McGwire hit a lot of home runs.
I feel I should explain why I kept some players, too. Palmeiro doesn't go not only because has over 500 home runs and 3,000 hits, but I feel I must do my part to keep him over 5%. Bonds and Clemens don't get knocked for steroid use, since steroids were just a condition of the game, much like cocaine was in the '80s and greenies were in the '70s.
I really hate cutting Kent and Mussina, because they too don't deserve to fall off the ballot.
My ballot:
Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Glavine
Maddux
Palmeiro
Piazza
Raines
Thomas
Originally posted by milladrive View PostAlphabetically:
Bagwell
Biggio
Glavine
Maddux
Mussina
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Thomas*** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!
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Originally posted by Cowtipper View PostI'm not too keen on DHs and Trammell, I could take him or leave him. I wouldn't complain if he got in the Hall, but he's not one of the first guys I'd vote for.*** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!
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Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View PostBagwell
Biggio
Glavine
Maddux
McGriff
Piazza
Raines
Thomas*** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!
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That list omits anyone with less than 10 HOF Monitor points. Some other possible inclusions for 2014:
Code:Player WAR/pos PA Trot Nixon 19.0 4224 Damion Easley 17.8 6211 Jose Cruz 17.1 5448 Player WAR IP Steve Trachsel 22.1 2501.0 Kent Mercker 11.3 1325.1
Last edited by Freakshow; 01-12-2013, 06:28 AM.Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.
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