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  • The Really Big Hall of Fame: 1907

    Welcome to the Really Big Hall of Fame, a project dedicated to developing a much more inclusive Hall of Fame. We're all "big Hall" guys here.

    This is like the Progressive Hall of Fame, but with one catch. You MUST vote for 12 players in each election. It doesn't matter if you wouldn't vote for them "in real life." This is the Really Big Hall of Fame. We want a lot of inductees.

    But please take the voting seriously. Please do not just vote ten random players--consider who is on the ballot and vote for the ten who you think were the best, who are most deserving for election.

    To ensure that people follow the "12 player rule", I will be requiring that participating members submit their ballots as posts, rather than via a poll. That way I can ensure accountability.

    Rules and information

    1. A player is eligible five years from the date of his final major league game.
    2. A player may appear on the ballot as many as 15 times.
    3. A player must receive 65% of the vote to be elected.
    4. A player must receive at least 5% of the vote to remain on the ballot.
    5. Elections will last seven days (one week).
    6. Usually, a player must have played 10 seasons to be eligible. But since this is the Really Big Hall of Fame, (admittedly arbitrary) exceptions will made.
    7. For the time being, only major league players will be considered, including NA players. Negro League votes will come later on.
    8. For the time being, a "Would Have Voted For" of fluid allowable size* is permitted. This will save players from being eliminated from the ballot, even if they do not receive any votes.
    9. Please consider only a person's playing career.

    *Zero players if the ballot contains less than 20 names, one player if it contains between 20 and 29 names, two players if it contains between 30 and 39 names and three players if it contains more than 40 names.

    Select your best 12 from this ballot of 37 players. You must vote for 12 players. To save players from ballot elimination, you are also allowed a "would have voted for" list--a list of up to two players you would have voted for had you enough room. This will save them from dropping off the ballot even if they do not receive a vote.

    George Bradley
    Ted Breitenstein
    Steve Brodie
    Tom Brown
    Oyster Burns
    Nig Cuppy
    Abner Dalrymple
    Frank Dwyer
    Bones Ely
    Bob Ferguson
    Silver Flint
    Davey Force
    Frank Foreman
    Pink Hawley
    Bug Holliday
    Dummy Hoy
    Charlie Irwin
    Frank Killen
    Matt Kilroy
    Henry Larkin
    Dick McBride
    Win Mercer
    John Morrill
    Fred Pfeffer
    Paul Radford
    John Reilly
    Wilbert Robinson
    Jack Rowe
    Mike Smith
    Germany Smith
    Jake Stenzel
    Tommy Tucker
    Curt Welch
    Gus Weyhing
    Will White
    Ned Williamson
    Harry Wright

    New on the ballot:

    Steve Brodie
    Bones Ely
    Frank Foreman
    Dummy Hoy
    Charlie Irwin
    Win Mercer
    Wilbert Robinson

    Re-Instated Players:

    Oyster Burns

    Dropped from the last ballot:

    Tom Burns
    Kid Carsey
    Bert Cunningham
    Tommy Dowd
    Jouett Meekin
    Morgan Murphy
    Joe Quinn
    Pop Schriver
    Harry Staley
    Patsy Tebeau
    Sam Wise
    George Wood
    Tommy York
    George Zettlein

    The Really Big Hall of Fame:

    Code:
    
    Player:          Times on ballot:          Election percentage:           Year elected:
    
    Cap     Anson           1                        100.00%                       1902                        
    Ross	Barnes          1                        80.00%                        1900
    Charlie Bennett         2                        80.00%                        1901
    Tommy   Bond            3                        88.89%                        1902
    Pete 	Browning        2                        80.00%                        1901
    Charlie Buffinton       3                        66.67%                        1902
    Bob	Caruthers       1                        70.00%                        1900
    Cupid	Childs          1                        100.00%                       1906
    John	Clarkson        1                        100.00%                       1900
    Jack	Clements        1                        71.43%                        1905
    Roger   Connor          1                        100.00%                       1902
    Larry	Corcoran        4                        71.43%                        1903
    Candy	Cummings        2                        71.43%                        1904
    Fred	Dunlap          4                        100.00%                       1903 
    Buck    Ewing           1                        100.00%                       1902
    Dave	Foutz           3                        100.00%                       1903
    Pud	Galvin          1                        80.00%                        1900
    Jack	Glasscock       1                        90.00%                        1900
    George  Gore            2                        90.00%                        1901
    Mike	Griffin         1                        85.71%                        1903
    Billy	Hamilton        1                        100.00%                       1906
    Guy	Hecker          2                        100.00%                       1905          
    Paul	Hines           2                        90.00%                        1901
    Bill	Hutchinson      4                        71.43%                        1905
    Charley	Jones           4                        85.71%                        1903
    Bill	Joyce           1                        71.43%                        1903
    Tim	Keefe           1                        100.00%                       1900  
    King	Kelly           1                        100.00%                       1900
    Silver	King            2                        100.00%                       1903
    Bill	Lange           1                        85.71%                        1904
    Denny	Lyons           2                        85.71%                        1903
    Bobby   Mathews         3                        66.67%                        1902
    Jim     McCormick       3                        100.00%                       1902
    Ed	McKean          1                        100.00%                       1904
    Sadie	McMahon         3                        71.43%                        1904
    Bid	McPhee          1                        100.00%                       1904
    Cal     McVey           3                        66.67%                        1902
    Levi	Meyerle         4                        85.71%                        1903
    Ed	Morris          5                        71.43%                        1904
    Tony	Mullane         2                        80.00%                        1901
    Billy	Nash            2                        71.43%                        1904
    Tip     O'Neill         3                        88.89%                        1902
    Dave	Orr             2                        100.00%                       1905
    Dickey	Pearce          3                        71.43%                        1903
    Lip     Pike            1                        70.00%                        1901
    Old HossRadbourn        1                        100.00%                       1900
    Hardy   Richardson      2                        90.00%                        1901
    Amos	Rusie           1                        100.00%                       1906
    Al	Spalding        1                        90.00%                        1900
    Joe     Start           3                        77.78%                        1902
    Jack	Stivetts        2                        71.43%                        1905
    Harry	Stovey          2                        70.00%                        1901
    Ezra	Sutton          2                        80.00%                        1901
    Mike	Tiernan         1                        100.00%                       1904
    Monte	Ward            1                        70.00%                        1900
    Mickey	Welch           1                        80.00%                        1901
    Deacon	White           1                        90.00%                        1900
    Jim	Whitney         4                        71.43%                        1903
    George	Wright          1                        80.00%                        1900
    Holdovers:

    Code:
    Player:                Times on ballot:          Previous percentage:          High percentage: 
                                                                                     
    George	Bradley              4                         14.29%                         28.57%
    Ted	Breitenstein         1                         28.57%                         28.57%
    Tom 	Brown                4                         28.57%                         42.86%
    Nig	Cuppy                1                         28.57%                         28.57%
    Abner	Dalrymple            4                         42.86%                         42.86%
    Frank	Dwyer                3                         42.86%                         42.86%
    Bob	Ferguson             4                         28.57%                         42.86%
    Silver	Flint                4                         14.29%                         42.86%
    Davy	Force                2                         42.86%                         42.86%
    Pink	Hawley               1                         14.29%                         14.29%
    Bug	Holliday             4                         14.29%                         28.57%   
    Frank	Killen               2                         14.29%                         28.57% 
    Matt	Kilroy               4                         57.14%                         57.14%    
    Henry	Larkin               3                         57.14%                         57.14%
    Dick	McBride              3                         42.86%                         57.14%
    John	Morrill              3                         14.29%                         14.29%                              
    Fred    Pfeffer              5                         57.14%                         57.14% 
    Paul	Radford              3                         14.29%                         14.29%
    John	Reilly               3                         14.29%                         57.14%
    Jack	Rowe                 3                         42.86%                         42.86%
    Germany Smith                3                         14.29%                         28.57%
    Mike	Smith                1                         28.57%                         28.57%
    Jake	Stenzel              3                         28.57%                         42.86%
    Tommy	Tucker               3                         14.29%                         14.29%
    Curt 	Welch                2                         WHVF                           WHVF
    Gus	Weyhing              1                         57.14%                         57.14%
    Will 	White                2                         42.86%                         42.86%
    Ned 	Williamson           2                         42.86%                         42.86%
    Harry	Wright               7                         42.86%                         42.86%
    
    Holdovers dropped:
    
    Tom Burns...lack of support
    Jouett Meekin...lack of support
    Harry Staley...lack of support
    Patsy Tebeau...lack of support
    Sam Wise...lack of support
    George Wood...lack of support
    Tommy York...lack of support
    George Zettlein...lack of support
    
    Last year of eligibility:
    
    None.
    Number of voters in each election:

    1900: 10
    1901: 10
    1902: 9
    1903: 7
    1904: 7
    1905: 7
    1906: 7

    Hall of Fame stats:

    # of players in the Really Big Hall of Fame: 59
    # of players elected by regular election: 59
    Avg. # of players elected during each regular election: 8.4

    Really Big Hall of Fame members by primary position:

    C (3): Charlie Bennett, Jack Clements, Buck Ewing
    1B (6): Cap Anson, Roger Connor, Dave Foutz, Cal McVey, Dave Orr, Joe Start
    2B (5): Ross Barnes, Cupid Childs, Fred Dunlap, Bid McPhee, Hardy Richardson
    3B (6): Bill Joyce, Denny Lyons, Levi Meyerle, Billy Nash, Ezra Sutton, Deacon White
    SS (5): Jack Glasscock, Ed McKean, Dickey Pearce, Monte Ward, George Wright
    LF (2): Charley Jones, Tip O'Neill
    CF (7): Pete Browning, George Gore, Mike Griffin, Billy Hamilton, Paul Hines, Bill Lange, Lip Pike
    RF (2): King Kelly, Mike Tiernan
    OF (1): Harry Stovey
    SP (22): Tommy Bond, Charlie Buffinton, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Larry Corcoran, Candy Cummings, Pud Galvin, Guy Hecker, Bill Hutchinson, Tim Keefe, Silver King, Bobby Mathews, Sadie McMahon, Jim McCormick, Ed Morris, Tony Mullane, Old Hoss Radbourn, Amos Rusie, Al Spalding, Jack Stivetts, Mickey Welch, Jim Whitney

    Players elected by year:

    1900 (12): Ross Barnes, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Pud Galvin, Jack Glasscock, Tim Keefe, King Kelly, Old Hoss Radbourn, Al Spalding, Monte Ward, Deacon White, George Wright
    1901 (10): Charlie Bennett, Pete Browning, George Gore, Paul Hines, Tony Mullane, Lip Pike, Hardy Richardson, Harry Stovey, Ezra Sutton, Mickey Welch
    1902 (10): Cap Anson, Tommy Bond, Charlie Buffinton, Roger Connor, Buck Ewing, Bobby Mathews, Jim McCormick, Cal McVey, Tip O'Neill, Joe Start
    1903 (11): Larry Corcoran, Fred Dunlap, Dave Foutz, Mike Griffin, Charley Jones, Bill Joyce, Silver King, Denny Lyons, Levi Meyerle, Dickey Pearce, Jim Whitney
    1904 (8): Candy Cummings, Bill Lange, Ed McKean, Sadie McMahon, Bid McPhee, Ed Morris, Billy Nash, Mike Tiernan
    1905 (5): Jack Clements, Guy Hecker, Bill Hutchinson, Dave Orr, Jack Stivetts
    1906 (3): Cupid Childs, Billy Hamilton, Amos Rusie

    Players elected by primary decade:

    1870s (10): Ross Barnes, Tommy Bond, Candy Cummings, Bobby Mathews, Cal McVey, Levi Meyerle, Lip Pike, Al Spalding, George Wright
    1880s (33): Cap Anson, Charlie Bennett, Pete Browning, Charlie Buffinton, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Roger Connor, Larry Corcoran, Fred Dunlap, Buck Ewing, Dave Foutz, Pud Galvin, Jack Glasscock, George Gore, Guy Hecker, Paul Hines, Charley Jones, Tim Keefe, King Kelly, Jim McCormick, Ed Morris, Tony Mullane, Tip O'Neill, Dave Orr, Dickey Pearce, Old Hoss Radbourn, Hardy Richardson, Joe Start, Harry Stovey, Ezra Sutton, Monte Ward, Mickey Welch, Deacon White, Jim Whitney
    1890s (16): Cupid Childs, Jack Clements, Mike Griffin, Billy Hamilton, Bill Hutchinson, Bill Joyce, Silver King, Bill Lange, Denny Lyons, Ed McKean, Sadie McMahon, Bid McPhee, Billy Nash, Amos Rusie, Jack Stivetts, Mike Tiernan
    Last edited by Cowtipper; 02-04-2013, 05:39 PM.

  • #2
    George Bradley
    Steve Brodie
    Tom Brown
    Dummy Hoy
    Henry Larkin
    Dick McBride
    John Reilly
    Mike Smith
    Jake Stenzel
    Tommy Tucker
    Gus Weyhing
    Will White

    WHVF:

    Nig Cuppy
    Abner Dalrymple

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    • #3
      Ted Breitenstein
      Oyster Burns
      Nig Cuppy
      Frank Dwyer
      Pink Hawley
      Matt Kilroy
      Henry Larkin
      Dick McBride
      John Reilly
      Jack Rowe
      Mike Smith
      Ned Williamson
      ------
      Frank Killen
      Jake Stenzel
      *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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      • #4
        Ted Breitenstein
        Nig Cuppy
        Frank Dwyer
        Davy Force
        Dick McBride
        Mike Smith
        Ned Williamson
        Henry Larkin
        Jack Rowe
        George Zettlein
        Dummy Hoy
        Oyster Burns
        ---
        Pink Hawley
        Bob Ferguson
        The Hall of Stats: An alternate Hall of Fame populated by a mathematical formula.

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        • #5
          Frank Dwyer
          Bob Ferguson
          Davy Force
          Dummy Hoy
          Matt Kilroy
          Dick McBride
          Fred Pfeffer
          Jack Rowe
          Gus Weyhing
          Will White
          Ned Williamson
          Harry Wright

          Comment


          • #6
            Oyster Burns
            Nig Cuppy
            Abner Dalrymple
            Silver Flint
            Davey Force
            Bug Holliday
            Dummy Hoy
            Henry Larkin
            Fred Pfeffer
            Paul Radford
            Curt Welch
            Will White
            Ned Williamson

            maybe Matt Kilroy, Jake Stenzel and Win Mercer would be on if the ballot was bigger

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
              Oyster Burns
              Nig Cuppy
              Abner Dalrymple
              Silver Flint
              Davey Force
              Bug Holliday
              Dummy Hoy
              Henry Larkin
              Fred Pfeffer
              Paul Radford
              Curt Welch
              Will White
              Ned Williamson

              maybe Matt Kilroy, Jake Stenzel and Win Mercer would be on if the ballot was bigger
              You voted for sixteen players--which one would you like to drop?

              Originally posted by adarowski View Post
              Ted Breitenstein
              Nig Cuppy
              Frank Dwyer
              Davy Force
              Dick McBride
              Mike Smith
              Ned Williamson
              Henry Larkin
              Jack Rowe
              George Zettlein
              Dummy Hoy
              Oyster Burns
              ---
              Pink Hawley
              Bob Ferguson
              George Zettlein dropped off the ballot after last election. Kindly replace him with somebody.

              Comment


              • #8
                Ouch, sorry about that (and sorry George… I tried!).

                Ted Breitenstein
                Nig Cuppy
                Frank Dwyer
                Davy Force
                Dick McBride
                Mike Smith
                Ned Williamson
                Henry Larkin
                Jack Rowe
                Dummy Hoy
                Oyster Burns
                Pink Hawley
                ---
                Bob Ferguson
                Will White
                The Hall of Stats: An alternate Hall of Fame populated by a mathematical formula.

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                • #9
                  Oyster Burns
                  Abner Dalrymple
                  Silver Flint
                  Davey Force
                  Bug Holliday
                  Dummy Hoy
                  Henry Larkin
                  Fred Pfeffer
                  Paul Radford
                  Curt Welch
                  Will White
                  Ned Williamson

                  whoops sloppy copy, paste and "erase"
                  I removed Nig Cuppy

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                  • #10
                    Tom Brown
                    George Bradley
                    Abner Dalrymple
                    Bob Ferguson
                    Dummy Hoy
                    Matt Kilroy
                    Henry Larkin
                    Fred Pfeffer
                    Guy Weyring
                    Ned Williamson
                    Wil White
                    Harry Wright

                    Would have voted for:
                    Oyster Burn
                    Jake Stenzel
                    Wilbert Robinson
                    Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
                    Joe Gary MCA Emanuel Sonny Dave Earl Stan
                    Jonathan Neil Roger Anthony Ray Thomas Art Don
                    Gates Philip John Warrior Rik Casey Tony Horace
                    Robin Bill Ernie JEDI

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
                      1880s (33): Cap Anson, Charlie Bennett, Pete Browning, Charlie Buffinton, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Roger Connor, Larry Corcoran, Fred Dunlap, Buck Ewing, Dave Foutz, Pud Galvin, Jack Glasscock, George Gore, Guy Hecker, Paul Hines, Charley Jones, Tim Keefe, King Kelly, Jim McCormick, Ed Morris, Tony Mullane, Tip O'Neill, Dave Orr, Dickey Pearce, Old Hoss Radbourn, Hardy Richardson, Joe Start, Harry Stovey, Ezra Sutton, Monte Ward, Mickey Welch, Deacon White, Jim Whitney
                      Pearce, Start, White and perhaps Sutton should be listed in 1870's.
                      Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                      Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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                      • #12
                        About a day left to vote. Thanks for correcting your ballots, guys.

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                        • #13
                          Abner Dalrymple
                          Frank Dwyer
                          Dummy Hoy
                          Frank Killen
                          Win Mercer
                          John Morrill
                          Fred Pfeffer
                          Germany Smith
                          Jake Stenzel
                          Ned Williamson
                          Gus Weyhing
                          Will White

                          Sorry for the delay....

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                          • #14
                            We elected four players this go-around: Dummy Hoy, Ned Williamson, Henry Larkin and Will White. Here are the vote totals for each player:

                            Code:
                            Name, votes received, potential number of votes, vote percentage
                            
                            Dummy	Hoy		6	7	85.71%
                            Ned	Williamson	6	7	85.71%
                            Henry	Larkin		5	7	71.43%
                            Will	White		5	7	71.43%
                            <---cut-off--->
                            Dick	McBride		4	7	57.14%
                            Gus	Weyhing		4	7	57.14%
                            Frank	Dwyer		4	7	57.14%
                            Fred	Pfeffer		4	7	57.14%
                            Mike	Smith		3	7	42.86%
                            Oyster	Burns		3	7	42.86%
                            Matt	Kilroy		3	7	42.86%
                            Jack	Rowe		3	7	42.86%
                            Davy	Force		3	7	42.86%
                            Abner	Dalrymple	3	7	42.86%
                            George	Bradley		2	7	28.57%
                            Tom	Brown		2	7	28.57%
                            John	Reilly		2	7	28.57%
                            Ted	Breitenstein	2	7	28.57%
                            Nig	Cuppy		2	7	28.57%
                            Pink	Hawley		2	7	28.57%
                            Bob	Ferguson	2	7	28.57%
                            Harry	Wright		2	7	28.57%
                            Jake	Stenzel		2	7	28.57%
                            Steve 	Brodie		1	7	14.29%
                            Tommy	Tucker		1	7	14.29%
                            Silver	Flint		1	7	14.29%
                            Bug	Holliday	1	7	14.29%
                            Paul	Radford		1	7	14.29%
                            Curt	Welch		1	7	14.29%
                            Frank	Killen		1	7	14.29%
                            Win	Mercer		1	7	14.29%
                            John	Morrill		1	7	14.29%
                            Germany	Smith		1	7	14.29%

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