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    Simple yes or no question. Is Bagwell in or not? Here are his stats: Bag's stats
    115
    yes
    92.17%
    106
    no
    7.83%
    9

  • #2
    Yes, first ballot, one of the top legitimate 1Bmen in history behind the handful of all-time greats. That's...
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    • #3
      without a doubt, he's deserving of first ballot.

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      • #4
        He is plainly worthy.

        Dissenters: Speak now, because I can't imagine what your rationale is.

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        • #5
          I'm new to the board. I have been looking
          for a good baseball board and a guy on 5aTexasFootball.com
          suggested this one. So here I am...hello everybody.

          As far as Baggy making the hall...I say yes.
          I have been an Astros fan for 20+ years and he
          is truly one of the best.
          However, it does aggrevate me that he is making 16mil
          this year and is unable to play. But what can you do about
          that? nothing...
          My beloved 'Stros are dangerously close to be the worst team
          in baseball this year. Pretty sad for a club that was one game away
          from the World Series last year.

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          • #6
            Entering this year, Jeff Bagwell was tied for 30th all-time in the all important OPS+ stat (150)... and would rank 7th among HOF 1Bmen (Gehrig, Brouthers, Foxx, Greenberg, Mize, Connor).

            Non HOF 1Bmen with a higher OPS+ include McGwire, Thomas, Orr, Allen, and Thome.
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            • #7
              The 500 Player Pyramid project named Bagwell a "6", one of the top 100 players in history. Here are the firstbasemen that rank around him:

              6+ Thomas F
              6+ Mize*
              6+ McCovey*
              6 Murray*
              6 Leonard B*
              6 Bagwell
              6 Killebrew*
              5 Sisler*
              5 McGwire
              5 Palmeiro
              5 Connor*
              5- Suttles

              Pretty good company, I'd say.
              Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

              Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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              • #8
                I honestly can't fathom what a legitimate argument against him could be at this point.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by wide-e-wide
                  I'm new to the board. I have been looking
                  for a good baseball board and a guy on 5aTexasFootball.com
                  suggested this one. So here I am...hello everybody.

                  As far as Baggy making the hall...I say yes.
                  I have been an Astros fan for 20+ years and he
                  is truly one of the best.
                  However, it does aggrevate me that he is making 16mil
                  this year and is unable to play. But what can you do about
                  that? nothing...
                  My beloved 'Stros are dangerously close to be the worst team
                  in baseball this year. Pretty sad for a club that was one game away
                  from the World Series last year.
                  its good to see someone from the 5atexasfootball forum took my advice...welcome wide
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                  Houston Astros
                  Playoffs: 1980,86,97,98,99,01,04,05
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Commissioner
                    I honestly can't fathom what a legitimate argument against him could be at this point.
                    ditto, commish.
                    "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                    • #11
                      Well five people have voted no.

                      Their votes can be broken down as such.

                      Voter #1 - Hates the Astros so he would never vote for a Houston player

                      Voter #2 - Hit the no button by mistake

                      Voter #3 - Was Voter #1's brother and hates Houston too

                      Voter #4 - Hates baseball and just comes to the BBF to mess up all the polls

                      Voter #5 - Is a Yankees fan and his thinking is if Giambi can not be in then neither can anyone else

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                      • #12


                        I doubt that, but there are people who reside here, who believe the HOF should be limited to roughly 50 members, and vote accordingly. In such a case I don't think Bagwell makes it if he were to retire today.

                        I agree with Freakshow and the Pyramid voters however in that Bagwell falls somewhere between #s 51-100.
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                        • #13
                          --And since the Hall now exceeds 200 there is no way he doesn't belong. Whatever a person's preferences on HoF standards, players need to be evaluated on the standards that actually exist.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by J W


                            I doubt that, but there are people who reside here, who believe the HOF should be limited to roughly 50 members, and vote accordingly.
                            Those people are living in the same fantasy world the Veterans Committee has been imprisoned in.
                            "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                            "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                            "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                            "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Chancellor
                              Those people are living in the same fantasy world the Veterans Committee has been imprisoned in.
                              Probably one of the five greatest first baseman ever to play- and even better than his heavy hitting, lead footed contemporary born the same year (and day)- Frank Thomas.

                              Beyond the statisitcs, Bagwell has been regarded as one of the best baserunners of his era, as well- unfortunately that skill/value is only partially represented in the encyclopedia. He seems to be a truly complete baseball player, which is extremely rare.

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