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Yes/ No/ Maybe Hall of Fame, 1947 election

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  • #16
    VOTE CHANGE: I changed Jud Wilson and Cool Papa Bell from M to Y. While I don't have them in my personal HOF I do have them ranked #111 & 139 respectively on my greatest players in history list.
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    • #17
      The players

      Lazzeri, Tony - no

      Wilson, Jud - yes

      Bell, Cool Papa - yes
      Bridges, Tommy - no
      Cronin, Joe - yes
      Danning, Harry - no
      Davis, Curt - no
      Derringer. Paul - no
      Lyons. Ted - yes
      Rolfe, Red - no
      Scales. Tubby - no
      Selkirk, George - no
      Waner, Lloyd - no
      Werber, Billy - no

      The contributors

      Rice, Grantland - yes, what exactly is the No argument is it that he also wrote about college football? He was the first radio broadcaster for the WS, wrote for the NY Herald Tribune during the McGraw Mathewson era and as far as I know was the premier sportswriter during an age when baseball was king.

      Bolden, Ed - no

      Krichell, Paul - yes
      Street, Gabby - no

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sockeye View Post
        VOTE CHANGE: I changed Jud Wilson and Cool Papa Bell from M to Y. While I don't have them in my personal HOF I do have them ranked #111 & 139 respectively on my greatest players in history list.
        I'm just curious. What is the different between your "personal HOF" and your "greatest players in history list"?

        Anyone else who distinguishes between these two things, feel free to respond to the question as well, please.
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        "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
        "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
        "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
          I'm just curious. What is the different between your "personal HOF" and your "greatest players in history list"?

          Anyone else who distinguishes between these two things, feel free to respond to the question as well, please.
          There might be some guys like, say, Lou Brock who one could see as a HOFer in narrative-to-the-game sense but not quite as high in terms of player value/greatness, etc. Sockeye seems to have a much larger overlap then is normal. I mean - for the #111 player ever not to be in the HOF - there must be some big-time subjective elements at work.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
            There might be some guys like, say, Lou Brock who one could see as a HOFer in narrative-to-the-game sense but not quite as high in terms of player value/greatness, etc. Sockeye seems to have a much larger overlap then is normal. I mean - for the #111 player ever not to be in the HOF - there must be some big-time subjective elements at work.
            Due to LQ adjustments and missing data I don't have negro leaguers or Japanese players in my personal HOF. However for the purpose of this project it only make sense to use the greatest player list which looks at NL, JL, ML & PCL players. So it is a much more inclusive list.
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            RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Sockeye View Post
              Due to LQ adjustments and missing data I don't have negro leaguers or Japanese players in my personal HOF. However for the purpose of this project it only make sense to use the greatest player list which looks at NL, JL, ML & PCL players. So it is a much more inclusive list.
              Why do you feel there is enough statistical evidence to rank Jud Wilson exactly 111th, but not enough statistical evidence to put him in your HOF? It seems like it would take even MORE objective evidence to give a player a precise ranking than to say Y or N to the HOF.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by PVNICK View Post

                Rice, Grantland - yes, what exactly is the No argument is it that he also wrote about college football? He was the first radio broadcaster for the WS, wrote for the NY Herald Tribune during the McGraw Mathewson era and as far as I know was the premier sportswriter during an age when baseball was king.
                Actually, my no vote is premised on the idea no one who isn't influencing policy or running a team has sufficient influence on the game to merit being in a Hall of Fame.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                  Rice, Grantland - yes, what exactly is the No argument is it that he also wrote about college football? He was the first radio broadcaster for the WS, wrote for the NY Herald Tribune during the McGraw Mathewson era and as far as I know was the premier sportswriter during an age when baseball was king.
                  What exactly is the yes argument? How did he impact the game? Did he help establish a new set of statistics or way to analyze games and players? Did he in some way impact a rule change or break a color barrier? He was a great writer. There is an award in place for that already.

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                  • #24
                    Somehow on the contributors I was a little too loose and dim on the specifics. So "major figure" yes, but I guess no more impactful on the on field product than the broadcasters who will come in the future. Remind me of this if I pull a "HOW COME NOONE IS VOTING FOR (Red Barber/Mel Allen/Harry Carey/Vin Scully/Roger Angell etc)

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
                      What exactly is the yes argument? How did he impact the game? Did he help establish a new set of statistics or way to analyze games and players? Did he in some way impact a rule change or break a color barrier? He was a great writer. There is an award in place for that already.
                      Yeah, a Bill James with his popularization of sabermetrics makes it for me, Al Elias for compiling so many stats and popularizing the use of some of them, and a David Neft as the creator of the modern Baseball Encyclopedia (the first MacMillan), whose work sabermetrics and research to flourish are good examples of what I'm looking for for guys whose influence was mostly outside of leagues or teams. You could count Chadwick and the latter Spink for wide influence on the form of the game including rules. Grantland Rice was a fine writer, but I have to second jjpm's questions about him in terms of voting for this or any other Hall.
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                      • #26
                        Just over a day and a half left in this election as I type this.
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                        • #27
                          On vacation, sorry can't debate.


                          Lazzeri, Tony--YES

                          Wilson, Jud--NO

                          Bell, Cool Papa--MAYBE
                          Bridges, Tommy--NO
                          Cronin, Joe--YES
                          Danning, Harry--NO
                          Davis, Curt--NO
                          Derringer. Paul--NO
                          Lyons. Ted--YES
                          Rolfe, Red--NO
                          Scales. Tubby--NO
                          Selkirk, George --NO
                          Waner, Lloyd--NO
                          Werber, Billy--NO


                          The contributors

                          Rice, Grantland--YES

                          Bolden, Ed--MAYBE

                          Krichell, Paul-MAYBE
                          Street, Gabby--NO
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                          • #28
                            We have inducted Joe Cronin, Ted Lyons and Jud Wilson among the players. Additionally, Lazzeri, Bridges and Bell continue on the player ballot and Rice and Bolden continue on the contributor ballot.

                            I'll post the official results after the usual reminder than in the first two years, maybes don't count as the half yes, half no they will after those years. As a result, the percentage totals may be well short of 100%. First, the players:

                            Code:
                            yes	no	Player
                            55	45	Lazzeri, Tony
                            
                            90	10	Wilson, Jud
                            
                            70	0	Bell, Cool Papa
                            0	40	Bridges, Tommy
                            90	0	Cronin, Joe
                            0	100	Danning, Harry
                            0	100	Davis, Curt
                            10	70	Derringer. Paul
                            90	0	Lyons. Ted
                            0	100	Rolfe, Red
                            0	80	Scales. Tubby
                            0	100	Selkirk, George 
                            0	100	Waner, Lloyd
                            0	100	Werber, Billy
                            Now the contributors:

                            Code:
                            yes	no	Contributor
                            65	35	Rice, Grantland
                            
                            40	30	Bolden, Ed
                            
                            10	50	Krichell, Paul
                            0	100	Street, Gabby
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                            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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