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Cooperstown versus the Best of Baseball through 1989

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  • Cooperstown versus the Best of Baseball through 1989

    Now that we've finished the 1980's, it's time for another review of how the Best of Baseball project is stacking up against Cooperstown.

    I'm not going to do contributors comparisons any more, as we're taking on more candidates than they did.

    Let's start with the players both projects agree on:
    Code:
    Hank Aaron 
    Pete Alexander
    Cap Anson
    Luke Appling
    Earl Averill
    Frank Baker
    Ernie Banks
    Bell, Cool Papa
    Yogi Berra
    Lou Boudreau
    Dan Brouthers
    Mordecai Brown
    Roy Campanella
    Max Carey
    Oscar Charleston
    Fred Clarke
    John Clarkson
    Roberto Clemente
    Ty Cobb
    Mickey Cochrane
    Eddie Collins
    Jimmy Collins
    Roger Connor
    Stan Coveleski
    Sam Crawford
    Joe Cronin
    Dizzy Dean
    Ed Delahanty
    Bill Dickey
    Martin Dihigo
    Joe DiMaggio
    Don Drysdale
    Buck Ewing
    Red Faber
    Bob Feller
    Elmer Flick
    Whitey Ford
    Jimmie Foxx
    Frankie Frisch
    Pud Galvin
    Lou Gehrig
    Charlie Gehringer
    Bob Gibson
    Josh Gibson
    Goose Goslin
    Hank Greenberg
    Lefty Grove
    Billy Hamilton
    Gabby Hartnett
    Harry Heilmann
    Billy Herman
    Rogers Hornsby
    Carl Hubbell
    Monte Irvin
    Walter Johnson
    Al Kaline
    Tim Keefe
    Willie Keeler
    King Kelly
    Harmon Killebrew
    Ralph Kiner
    Sandy Koufax
    Nap LaJoie
    Buck Leonard
    Pop Lloyd
    Ted Lyons
    Mickey Mantle
    Juan Marichal
    Eddie Mathews
    Christy Mathewson
    Willie Mays
    Willie McCovey
    Joe McGinnity
    Joe Medwick
    Johnny Mize
    Joe Morgan
    Stan Musial
    Kid Nichols
    Phil Niekro
    Jim O'Rourke
    Mel Ott
    Satchel Paige
    Eddie Plank
    Charlie Radbourn
    Pee Wee Reese
    Robin Roberts
    Brooks Robinson
    Frank Robinson
    Jackie Robinson
    Red Ruffing
    Amos Rusie
    Babe Ruth
    Al Simmons
    George Sisler
    Enos Slaughter
    Duke Snider
    Warren Spahn
    Tris Speaker
    Willie Stargell
    Bill Terry
    Sam Thompson 
    Pie Traynor
    Dazzy Vance
    Arky Vaughan
    Rube Waddell
    Honus Wagner
    Bobby Wallace
    Ed Walsh
    Paul Waner
    John M. Ward 
    Zack Wheat
    Hoyt Wilhelm
    Billy Williams
    Ted Williams
    George Wright*
    Early Wynn 
    Carl Yastrzemski
    Cy Young
    Wright gets an asterisk, as he's in Cooperstown as a Pioneer, while he's in BOB as a player. Frank Chance is in BOB as a Contributor, but in Cooperstown as a player.
    Last edited by jalbright; 01-22-2011, 03:42 PM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    Here are the Negro Leaguers we've inducted into Best of Baseball, but are not yet in Cooperstown (with years of induction in Cooperstown)

    Code:
    Brown, Ray (2006)
    Willie Foster (96)
    Frank Grant (2006)
    Pete Hill (2006)
    Biz Mackey (2006)
    Bullet Joe Rogan (98)
    Louis Santop (2006)
    Turkey Stearnes (2000)
    Mule Suttles (2006)
    Cristobal Torriente (2006)
    Willie Wells (97)
    Joe Williams (99)
    Jud Wilson (2006)
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    • #3
      Here are the guys we inducted into Best of Baseball, but were inducted into Cooperstown after 1989 (with year of induction):

      Code:
      Richie Ashburn (95)
      Jim Bunning (96)
      George Davis (98)
      Larry Doby (98)
      Bobby Doerr (86)
      Nellie Fox (96)
      Joe Gordon (2009)
      Ferguson Jenkins (91)
      Bid McPhee (2000)
      Hal Newhouser (92)
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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      • #4
        Here are the players we've inducted into Best of Baseball, but are still waiting for that honor from Cooperstown:
        Code:
        Dick Allen
        Ross Barnes
        John Beckwith
        Charlie Bennett
        Ken Boyer
        Bob Caruthers
        Bill Dahlen
        Wes Ferrell
        Jack Glasscock
        George Gore
        Heinie Groh
        Stan Hack
        Paul Hines
        Joe Jackson
        Grant "Home Run" Johnson
        Sherry Magee
        Minnie Minoso
        Pete Rose
        Ron Santo
        Joe Start
        Harry Stovey
        Ezra Sutton
        Deacon White
        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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        • #5
          We've inducted a few players from Japan in BOB:

          Code:
          Akira Bessho
          Isao Harimoto
          Kazuhisa Inao
          Masaichi Kaneda
          Shgieo Nagashima
          Katsuya Nomura
          Sadaharu Oh
          Victor Starffin
          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

          Comment


          • #6
            Here are the players Cooperstown honored by 1989, but haven't yet been inducted into Best of Baseball:
            Code:
            Luis Aparicio
            Dave Bancroft
            Jake Beckley
            Johnny Bench
            Chief Bender
            Jim Bottomley
            Roger Bresnahan
            Lou Brock
            Jack Chesbro
            Earle Combs
            Kiki Cuyler
            Ray Dandridge
            Hugh Duffy
            Johnny Evers
            Rick Ferrell
            Lefty Gomez
            Burleigh Grimes
            Chick Hafey
            Jesse Haines
            Harry Hooper
            Waite Hoyt
            Catfish Hunter
            Travis Jackson
            Hughie Jennings
            Judy Johnson
            Addie Joss
            George Kell 
            Joe Kelley
            George Kelly
            Chuck Klein
            Bob Lemon
            Fred Lindstrom
            Ernie Lombardi
            Heinie Manush
            Rabbit Maranville
            Rube Marquard
            Tommy McCarthy
            Herb Pennock
            Sam Rice
            Eppa Rixey
            Edd Roush
            Ray Schalk
            Red Schoendienst
            Joe Sewell
            Joe Tinker
            Lloyd Waner
            Mickey Welch
            Hack Wilson
            Ross Youngs
            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

            Comment


            • #7
              A refinement on my comparison to Cooperstown which allows for the differences in eligiblity rules:

              Inducted in Cooperstown at least 10 years before Best of Baseball:
              Code:
              Year	NBBHOF Players	yr in BOB
              1939	Keeler, Willie	58
              1939	Radbourn, Charlie	56
              1939	Sisler, George	51
              1946	McGinnity, Joe	70
              1946	Waddell, Rube	57
              1948	Traynor, Pie	60
              1955	Terry, Bill...	69
              1964	Faber, Red	79
              Inducted into Best of Baseball at least 10 years before Cooperstown (note: Negro Leaguers don't count against Cooperstown in this accounting until 1990 to somewhat allow for the difference in rules on those players, and those that do count under this rule appear in red)

              Code:
              Year	BOB Players	yr in Coop
              1937	Crawford, Sam	57
              1937	Nichols, Kid	49
              1938	Baker, Frank	55
              1938	Connor, Roger	76
              1939	Davis, George	98
              1939	Hamilton, Billy	61
              1939	Torriente, C	2006
              1940	Clarkson, John	63
              1940	Heilmann, Harry	52
              1942	Keefe, Tim	64
              1944	Amos Rusie	77
              1944	Louis Santop	2006
              1945	John M. Ward	64
              1946	Turkey Stearnes	2000
              1946	Mule Suttles	2006
              1947	Goose Goslin	68
              1950	Jud Wilson	2006
              1950	Luke Appling	64
              1954	Arky Vaughan	85
              1955	Ray Brown..	2006
              1958	Billy Herman	75
              1958	Johnny Mize	81
              1960	Bid McPhee	2000
              1961	Biz Mackey	2006
              1962	Enos Slaughter	85
              1963	Pee Wee Reese	84
              1967	Hal Newhouser	92
              1967	Joe Gordon	2009
              1968	Bobby Doerr	1986
              1968	Pete Hill.....	2006
              1969	Larry Doby	1998
              1972	Richie Ashburn	1995
              1973	Hoyt Wilhelm	1984
              1977	Jim Bunning	1995
              1978	Nellie Fox	1996
              Even without the Negro Leaguers, I like our choices over Cooperstown's in this measure.

              I figured that since the first Negro League committee ended its work in 1977, it was reasonable to hold Cooperstown's feet to the fire on Negro Leaguers selected after 1990.
              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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              • #8
                To be honest, I don't see any mistakes or egregious oversights on our part. With a quick glance at the list in #6, I see six or seven players that I would like to see selected by this project, but I don't see any as 'no doubt' types - and most have garnered a fair share of support, behind mostly superior candidates.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Domenic View Post
                  To be honest, I don't see any mistakes or egregious oversights on our part. With a quick glance at the list in #6, I see six or seven players that I would like to see selected by this project, but I don't see any as 'no doubt' types - and most have garnered a fair share of support, behind mostly superior candidates.
                  Yeah, given that Bench isn't eligible in our project until 1992.
                  Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                  Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                  A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I expect Bench to sail in with relative ease. It would take a veritable juggernaut to knock him from the first spot on my ballot.

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