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  • #16
    1 Mike Schmidt
    2 Carlton Fisk
    3 Bobby Grich
    4 Nolan Ryan
    5 Ted Simmons
    6 Joe Kelley
    7 Charlie Keller
    8 Rick Reuschel
    9 Dick Lundy
    10 Darrell Evans
    11 Jimmy Sheckard
    12 Phil Rizzuto

    Rick Reuschel – Excellent pitcher who was hampered by a hitter’s paradise and poor defenders (Nothing like having Dave Kingman and Jerry Martin in your outfield). 1977 Cy Young worthy campaign, with 10 all-star level performances (73-80 less 75, 85, and 87). On a side note, I enjoy his 1977 Topps card pictured with his Cleveland Indians pitching brother Paul Reuschel. He can be seen wearing a batting helmet. A tall hurler with a build that brings back shades of a right-handed David Wells. Might be most remembered for serving up a homerun to Bo Jackson in the 1989 All-Star game.

    Quotes from 2011 Hall of Merit ballot thread: Dan Rosenheck - Superficially similar to Tiant--both threw 3,500 innings with a 114 ERA+--but Reuschel was hurt by his fielders while Tiant was helped by his, and while Tiant rode the wave of massive pitcher seasons around 1970, Reuschel pitched half of his career when the 300-IP season was a thing of the past, and in the low-stdev 1980's. Plus he has that One Big Year (1977).

    zop - The 1980's pitchers drought is real and reflects both the difficulty of dominating those very tough post-globalization/pre-expansion leagues and a sort of interregnum when the game was evolving between two meta-stable optimal pitcher usage patterns. Factor it all in, and I think Reuschel is a very strong candidate.

    Joe Dimino: My Pennants Added system, which accounts for fielding support, parks, bullpen support, etc.; shows him right behind Dazzy Vance, Ed Walsh and Amos Rusie, and ahead of Jim Bunning, Sandy Koufax and Juan Marichal.

    He isn't peakless either. His top 4 years are similar to that of Ron Guidry or Mike Scott - both considered 'peak' candidates. His 1977 was every bit as valuable as Bunning's 1966. Bunning definitely has him beat in years 2-5, but Reuschel makes it up with more quality in the back end. I get them essentially equal, Reuschel was a little better inning for inning, Bunning had a higher peak, but in the end they even out.

    I have Reuschel with a 115 DRA+ over 3745 tIP, Bunning was 113 over 3739 tIP. This is where I would have ranked Bunning, who sailed into the Hall of Merit, I have no issue putting Reuschel here.

    Even when I take my numbers, but filter them through a Bill James-type NHBA scoring system (that heavily focuses on peak), Reuschel still comes out in a group with guys like Jim Palmer, Noodles Hahn, Eddie Rommel, Tex Hughson, Clark Griffith and Whitey Ford. Hahn, Rommel and Hughson all had very nice peaks.

    Using a JAWS scoring system, he comes out in a group with Wes Ferrell, Jack Quinn, Palmer, Stan Coveleski, Red Faber and Urban Shocker.

    I am saying that Reuschel was every bit as good as the Jims, Palmer and Bunning. The only difference between Palmer and Reuschel is park and defense. Reuschel's 1977 was better than any season Palmer had. Palmer, like Bunning was better than Reuschel in the 2-5 best seasons, but by less than a win a year, and over the course of their careers, Reuschel was better, 115 DRA+ to Palmer's 113 (in a similar number of innings, Palmer had 3781 tIP. He had the one great year, and was very good from 1973-81 and 1985, 1987-89. That's a record that not a lot of pitchers can match.
    Last edited by Jar of Flies; 03-20-2011, 04:19 AM.
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    • #17
      1. Mike Schmidt
      2. Carlton Fisk
      3. Bobby Grich
      4. Charlie Keller
      5. Nolan Ryan
      6. Darrell Evans
      7. Cal McVey
      8. Joe Kelley
      9. Willard Brown
      10. Jimmy Wynn
      11. Ted Simmons
      12. Leroy Matlock

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      • #18
        this was a first no one from my ballot got in... now the top half is all the new guys, a very strong year. Also bumped Freehan up because frankly I where I had Simmons and Torre vis a vis him caused me to double take

        1. Mike Schmidt
        2. Nolan Ryan
        3. Carlton Fisk
        4. Bobby Grich
        5. Lou Brock
        6. Bill Freehan
        7. Ted Simmons
        8. Joe Torre
        9. Edd Roush
        10. Frank Howard
        11. Orlando Cepeda
        12. Cupid Childs


        you guys will be back soon enough: Tony Perez, Dave Bancroft, Ray Dandridge, Tommy Leach, Darrell Evans

        queing up further back are: Pinson, Evers, Maranville, Reggie Smith and Tommy John to name a few.

        1. O.P. Caylor
        2. Red Smith
        3. Billy Evans
        4. Tommy McCarthy
        5. Bob Ferguson

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        • #19
          1. Mike Schmidt
          2. Nolan Ryan
          3. Carlton Fisk
          4. Ted Simmons
          5. Bobby Grich
          6. Burleigh Grimes
          7. Edd Roush
          8. Addie Joss
          9. Luis Aparicio
          10. Lefty Gomez
          11. Joe Torre
          12. Joe Kelley


          Contributors

          1. Billy Evans
          2. Happy Chandler
          3. O.P. Caylor
          4. Vic Harris
          5. Vin Scully
          Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
          Joe Gary MCA Emanuel Sonny Dave Earl Stan
          Jonathan Neil Roger Anthony Ray Thomas Art Don
          Gates Philip John Warrior Rik Casey Tony Horace
          Robin Bill Ernie JEDI

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          • #20
            1 Mike Schmidt
            2 Nolan Ryan
            3 Carlton Fisk
            4 Ted Simmons
            5 Addie Joss
            6 Joe Torre
            7 Burleigh Grimes
            8 Eppa Rixey
            9 Ed Roush
            10 Bob Grich
            11 Joe Kelley
            12 Jim Wynn

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            • #21
              Joe Dimino is the founder and president of the Hall of Merit. Last year I cited his Pennants Added pitcher ratings re McGinnity, Lemon, and Pierce (re the "last" mlb pitcher in the HoM).

              (my emphasis)
              Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
              Joe Dimino: My Pennants Added system, which accounts for fielding support, parks, bullpen support, etc.; shows him right behind Dazzy Vance, Ed Walsh and Amos Rusie, and ahead of Jim Bunning, Sandy Koufax and Juan Marichal.

              He isn't peakless either. His top 4 years are similar to that of Ron Guidry or Mike Scott - both considered 'peak' candidates. His 1977 was every bit as valuable as Bunning's 1966. Bunning definitely has him beat in years 2-5, but Reuschel makes it up with more quality in the back end. I get them essentially equal, Reuschel was a little better inning for inning, Bunning had a higher peak, but in the end they even out.

              I have Reuschel with a 115 DRA+ over 3745 tIP, Bunning was 113 over 3739 tIP. This is where I would have ranked Bunning, who sailed into the Hall of Merit, I have no issue putting Reuschel here.

              Even when I take my numbers, but filter them through a Bill James-type NHBA scoring system (that heavily focuses on peak), Reuschel still comes out in a group with guys like Jim Palmer, Noodles Hahn, Eddie Rommel, Tex Hughson, Clark Griffith and Whitey Ford. Hahn, Rommel and Hughson all had very nice peaks.

              Using a JAWS scoring system, he comes out in a group with Wes Ferrell, Jack Quinn, Palmer, Stan Coveleski, Red Faber and Urban Shocker.

              I am saying that Reuschel was every bit as good as the Jims, Palmer and Bunning. The only difference between Palmer and Reuschel is park and defense. Reuschel's 1977 was better than any season Palmer had. Palmer, like Bunning was better than Reuschel in the 2-5 best seasons, but by less than a win a year, and over the course of their careers, Reuschel was better, 115 DRA+ to Palmer's 113 (in a similar number of innings, Palmer had 3781 tIP. He had the one great year, and was very good from 1973-81 and 1985, 1987-89. That's a record that not a lot of pitchers can match.
              "Scoring systems" are methods for aggregating season measures as one-dimensional career rankings.
              A scoring system answers all such questions as "does 6,6,1,1 beat 5,5,5?"

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              • #22
                We have already reached a quorum on the player side. We're still two away on the contributor side.
                Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                • #23
                  Players

                  1. Mike Schmidt
                  2. Carlton Fisk
                  3. Nolan Ryan
                  4. Bobby Grich
                  5. Ted Simmons

                  6. Willard Brown
                  7. Joe Torre
                  8. Addie Joss
                  9. Eppa Rixey
                  10. Edd Roush
                  11. Joe Sewell
                  12. Rollie Fingers

                  With the five new names on the ballot, and only one removed, the following are dropped: Aparicio, Kelley, Berger, Freehan. Reuschel and Blue also make it to the queue.

                  Contributors

                  1. Buck O'Neill
                  2. Paul Krichell
                  3. Al Munro Elias
                  4. Billy Martin
                  5. Dick Williams

                  Again I have to make room... Danny Murtaugh and Charlie Grimm fall onto the queue.
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                  • #24
                    Players:

                    1. Mike Schmidt
                    2. Nolan Ryan
                    3. Carlton Fisk
                    4. Ted Simmons
                    5. Addie Joss
                    6. Lou Brock
                    7. Jake Beckley
                    8. Edd Roush
                    9. Joe Kelley
                    10. Bobby Grich
                    11. Burleigh Grimes
                    12. Willard Brown


                    Contributors:

                    1. Buck O'Neil
                    2. Happy Chandler
                    3. Harry Caray
                    4. Phil Rizzuto
                    5. Vin Scully

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                    • #25
                      Everybody who voted in the last election has voted now. Should I start the next election on Saturday?

                      On the Contributor side, we'll add:
                      Harvey , Doug
                      Steinbrenner , George
                      Weaver , Earl

                      On the player side, we add:
                      DeCinces , Doug
                      Downing , Brian
                      Forsch , Bob
                      Griffey, Sr. , Ken
                      Guidry , Ron
                      Hooton , Burt
                      Hough , Charlie
                      Luzinski , Greg
                      Richard , J R
                      Speier , Chris
                      White , Frank

                      We get some breathing room on the player side, but the contributor side only gets more crowded (after a long period of moving through holdovers).
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                      • #26
                        Sounds good. This year's results aren't too awfully mysterious, I imagine.
                        "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                        "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                        "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                        "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                        • #27
                          Sounds good. Move forward. The only mystery here will be what order the big three are elected in and how close Grich and Simmons get this time around.

                          Those are three eventual, but not immediate additions to my ballot on the contributor side. Only Ron Guidry from the player's side will make my queue (Hough just misses and Richard's too much of a what could have been).

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                            Everybody who voted in the last election has voted now. Should I start the next election on Saturday?
                            I say yes if you're willing to do the work, which is evident. This year (2011) I haven't paid close attention to the comings and goings of occasional participants but I know that the group has continued to be more stable than for most serial projects in this forum. Brad's point is valid too, although there have been cycles with three more decisive winners.

                            P.S.
                            Hey, four great minds in one hour!

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                            • #29
                              Sounds fine. Looking forward it wouldn't surprise me if Grich and Simmons have a short wait. Earl Weaver will make my contributor's ballot, hopefully not at the cost of anybody. Mr. Steinbrenner hadn't really cemented his legacy as of yet, other than its negative side.
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                              • #30
                                I'm fine with it as well. Weaver will knock someone back but that's about all the changes I see.

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