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  • #31
    I've enjoyed the run. I'm glad you did as well.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    • #32
      I would also like to chime in about how much I enjoyed these elections. I did a lot of research when I was choosing my players/contributors and learned a lot about people of whom I had not heard of before. Specifically, the Nippon players and contributors. As a newer member to these forums, I appreciate the chance to have my voice heard over the folks who I feel are deserving of a special place in our national past-time's history, whether it be home or abroad.

      Thanks, Jim!

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      • #33
        I'm kind of sad we've reached this point of the project. I've been in it from the start, and may have missed one election along the way. I've learned quite a bit in the process.
        Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
        Joe Gary MCA Emanuel Sonny Dave Earl Stan
        Jonathan Neil Roger Anthony Ray Thomas Art Don
        Gates Philip John Warrior Rik Casey Tony Horace
        Robin Bill Ernie JEDI

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        • #34
          Thanks for the project.

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          • #35
            This was one of the more fun projects I've participated in and I think we collectively put together a great HOF.

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            • #36
              A thanks to jalbright for re-igniting my interest in the Baseball-Fever website for his in-depth analysis of Japanese players, and to the electorate for worthy discussion board chatter. Please add Roger Clemens and George Steinbrenner to members section of the Best of Baseball.

              I would like to ask a favor of the best of baseball voters. I recently joined the contributor ballot rankings and am trying to form a personal hall. Current, it consists of players enshrined from: The Cooperstown Hall of Fame, The Progressive Hall of Fame, the Baseball Fever Hall of Fame, and the Best of Baseball Hall of Fame. Any member who appeared in three or more of the halls or two of the Baseball-Fever halls was enshrined. This left me five slots shy of the total enshrined in the Best of Baseball Hall of Fame for what I considered to be primarily contributor enshrinees.

              I have a subset of fifteen I was hoping everyone could rank in preference order - each of the fifteen has either been elected to two of the halls of fame or I have voted for them in this project:
              Al Barlick
              Buzzie Bavasi
              Jocko Conlan
              Al Munro Elias
              Gus Greenlee
              Vic Harris
              Doug Harvey
              Bill James
              Shigeru Mizuhara
              David Neft
              Alex Pompez
              John Schierholtz
              Ben Shibe
              Alfred Spink
              George Steinbrenner

              I have excluded contributors (John McGraw, George Wright, Al Spalding, etc.) who I deemed worthy of player selection.
              The members of my tentative contributor hall of fame:
              A. J. Reach
              Al Lopez
              Alexander Cartwright
              Ban Johnson
              Bill Klem
              Bill McKechnie
              Bill Veeck
              Billy Evans
              Billy Southworth
              Bob Ferguson
              Bobby Cox
              Branch Rickey
              Buck O’Neil
              C. I. Taylor
              Casey Stengel
              Charles Comiskey
              Charles Conlon
              Connie Mack
              Cum Posey
              Dick Williams
              Doc Adams
              Earl Weaver
              Ed Barrow
              Ed Bolden
              Ford Frick
              Francis Richter
              Frank Chance
              Frank Selee
              George Weiss
              Harry Wright
              Henry Chadwick
              Iso Abe
              J. L. Wilkinson
              J.G. Taylor Spink
              Jack Dunn
              Jacob Ruppert
              Jim Creighton
              Joe McCarthy
              Kazuto Tsuruoaka
              Kenesaw Landis
              Larry MacPhail
              Leo Durocher
              Marvin Miller
              Matsutaro Shoriki
              Mel Allen
              Miller Huggins
              Ned Hanlon
              O. P. Caylor
              Pat Gillick
              Red Barber
              Sol White
              Sparky Anderson
              Tetsuharu Kawakami
              Tom Connolly
              Tommy Lasorda
              Tony LaRussa
              Vin Scully
              Walter Alston
              Walter O'Malley
              Whitey Herzog
              William Hulbert
              Last edited by Jar of Flies; 11-22-2011, 07:42 PM.
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              • #37
                I don't know if you consider him a player or a contributor, but Dickey Pearce deserves to be somewhere. Out of the contributors you were unsure of, I would group them roughly like this, but don't feel comfortable doing a strict ranking:

                Al Munro Elias
                Bill James
                David Neft
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                Buzzie Bavasi
                Gus Greenlee
                Shigeru Mizuhara
                George Steinbrenner
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                Al Barlick
                Jocko Conlan
                Doug Harvey
                Alfred Spink
                ----------------------
                Vic Harris
                Alex Pompez
                John Schuerholtz
                Ben Shibe

                I would have to do more research on the bottom four to rank them.
                Last edited by jjpm74; 11-23-2011, 07:18 AM.

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                • #38
                  I'll start a few posts comparing Cooperstown to the results of this project.

                  First, we won't bother with the guys picked by both.

                  Next, we'll list the Japanese and Caribbean guys eligible for BOB that aren't for Cooperstown:
                  Iso Abe
                  Akira Bessho
                  Perucho Cepeda
                  Isao Harimoto
                  Kazuhisa Inao
                  Masaichi Kaneda
                  Tetsuharu Kawakami
                  Masaaki Koyama
                  Shigeo Nagashima
                  Katsuya Nomura
                  Hiromitsu Ochiai
                  Sadaharu Oh
                  Matsutaro Shoriki
                  Victor Starffin
                  Kazuto Tsuruoka
                  Then we'll list the press/writer types who can be in BOB but not Cooperstown:
                  Mel Allen
                  Red Barber
                  Charles Conlon
                  Al Munro Elias
                  Francis Richter
                  Vin Scully
                  Alfred Spink
                  J. G. T. Spink
                  We'll also note the guys who are ineligible for Cooperstown due to gambling issues:
                  Joe Jackson
                  Pete Rose
                  One last step before we go for a head to head comparison: listing the guys not yet eligible for the other project. Including Joe Torre on behalf of Cooperstown is a case of being nice.
                  Cooperstown
                  Roberto Alomar

                  Best of Baseball
                  Craig Biggio
                  Barry Bonds
                  Bobby Cox
                  Tom Glavine
                  Randy Johnson
                  Tony LaRussa
                  Greg Maddux
                  Curt Schilling
                  Joe Torre
                  Last edited by jalbright; 11-27-2011, 12:54 PM.
                  Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                  Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                  A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                  • #39
                    The head to head comparison of contributors:
                    Code:
                    Cooperstown		BOB  
                    Al Barlick		Doc Adams
                    Morgan Bulkeley		Buzzue Bavasi
                    Happy Chandler		Ed Bolden
                    Nestor Chylak		O. P. Caylor
                    Jocko Conlan		Jim Creighton
                    Candy Cummings		Jack Dunn
                    Warren Giles		Bob Ferguson
                    Will Harridge		Gus Greenlee
                    Bucky Harris		Vic Harris
                    Doug Harvey		Marvin Miller
                    Cal Hubbard		Buck O'Neill
                    Bowie Kuhn		A. J. Reach
                    Lee MacPhail		Jacob Ruppert
                    Effa Manley		Ben Shibe
                    Bill McGowan		C. I. Taylor
                    Alex Pompez		
                    Wilbert Robinson		
                    Tom Yawkey
                    I prefer the BOB list.
                    Last edited by jalbright; 11-27-2011, 12:58 PM.
                    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                    • #40
                      Now for the most critical set of different picks, the players:
                      Code:
                      Cooperstown		BOB
                      Luis Aparicio		Dick Allen
                      Dave Bancroft		Ross Barnes
                      Jake Beckley		John Beckwith
                      Chief Bender		Charlie Bennett
                      Jim Bottomley		Ken Boyer
                      Orlando Cepeda		Bob Caruthers
                      Jack Chesbro		Cupid Childs
                      Earle Combs		Will Clark
                      Andy Cooper		Bill Dahlen
                      Kiki Cuyler		Dwight Evans
                      Ray Dandridge		Wes Ferrell
                      Leon Day		Bill Freehan
                      Hugh Duffy		Jack Glasscock
                      Johnny Evers		George Gore
                      Rick Ferrell		Bobby Grich
                      Rollie Fingers		Heinie Groh
                      Lefty Gomez		Stan Hack
                      Burleigh Grimes		Keith Hernandez
                      Chick Hafey		Paul Hines
                      Jesse Haines		Grant "Home Run"Johnson
                      Harry Hooper		Charlie Keller
                      Waite Hoyt		Barry Larkin
                      Catfish Hunter		Sherry Magee
                      Travis Jackson		Minnie Minoso
                      Judy Johnson		Dobie Moore
                      George Kell		Alejandro Oms
                      High Pockets Kelly	Dickey Pearce
                      Chuck Klein		Tim Raines
                      Tony Lazzeri		Rick Reuschel
                      Freddie Lindstrom	Ron Santo
                      Ernie Lombardi		Jimmy Sheckard
                      Heinie Manush		Ted Simmons
                      Rabbit Maranville	Reggie Smith
                      Rube Marquard		Joe Start
                      Bill Mazeroski		Harry Stovey
                      Tommy McCarthy		Ezra Sutton
                      Herb Pennock		Luis Tiant
                      Tony Perez		Alan Trammell
                      Kirby Puckett		Quincy Trouppe
                      Jim Rice		Lou Whitaker
                      Sam Rice		Deacon White
                      Eppa Rixey		
                      Ray Schalk		
                      Red Schoendienst		
                      Joe Sewell		
                      Bruce Sutter		
                      Ben Taylor		
                      Joe Tinker		
                      Lloyd Waner		
                      Mickey Welch		
                      Vic Willis		
                      Hack Wilson		
                      Ross Youngs
                      I know I prefer the BOB group, especially supplemented by the Japanese players.
                      Last edited by jalbright; 11-27-2011, 01:02 PM.
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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