2012 Best of Baseball election thread

[jalbright]

Contributors:
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5 James Andrews - write-in - I am open to changing this, but think maybe a doctor is worthy of election.

Andrews qualifies, so the vote is permitted.

[toomanyhatz]

Players

1. John Smoltz
2. Albert Belle
3. Tony Mullane
4. Trevor Hoffman
5. Lee Smith
6. Tommy Bond
7. Larry Walker
8. Rafael Palmeiro
9. Willie Randolph
10. Tony Perez
11. Darrell Evans
12. Kenny Lofton

Contributors

1. Curt Flood
2. Frank Jobe
3. Gil Hodges
4. Ring Lardner
5. Jim Bouton

Note: I briefly considered Hodges for the players list, then realized I was combining the two. The way the Hall of Fame does it, he should be in already. Separating him as we do, he's probably borderline for each, but the competition's fiercer for players than contributors, so I voted him for the latter. I also didn't disqualify PED-suspicious players entirely, but did grade them on something of an arbitrary curve. As much as I dislike Clemens and Palmeiro, I had to conclude that they would have been worthy of their places even had they been clean.

I'm happy to be voting in my first election!

[jalbright]

Players

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2. Roger Clemens


I'm happy to be voting in my first election!

Welcome to our project! I value the participation of everybody, especially since right now I'm scuffling to get the level of participation in this project I want. Your ballot will count, but Clemens has already been elected (I see he wasn't on the list in the thread as having been inducted, which has now been corrected). So all the players below him move up if you don't fix this, and the #12 spot is open. I would prefer you fix it yourself, though, and fill that open spot. I'll also PM you on this.

[toomanyhatz]

Welcome to our project! I value the participation of everybody, especially since right now I'm scuffling to get the level of participation in this project I want. Your ballot will count, but Clemens has already been elected (I see he wasn't on the list in the thread as having been inducted, which has now been corrected). So all the players below him move up if you don't fix this, and the #12 spot is open. I would prefer you fix it yourself, though, and fill that open spot. I'll also PM you on this.

Done. Lofton moved into the #12 spot.

Yeah, I was surprised to see Clemens on the eligible list, but figured the 'roids thing was keeping him out. Glad that's been cleared up.

P.S. - when you get a chance, you should edit the eligible list as well, as Clemens is still on it.

[jalbright]

Done. Lofton moved into the #12 spot.

Yeah, I was surprised to see Clemens on the eligible list, but figured the 'roids thing was keeping him out. Glad that's been cleared up.

P.S. - when you get a chance, you should edit the eligible list as well, as Clemens is still on it.

Your change is noted and also Clemens is no longer on the eligible list. Thanks.

[Captain Cold Nose]

1. Kirby Puckett
2. Albert Belle
3. John Smoltz
4. Fred McGriff
5. Burleigh Grimes
6. Trevor Hoffman
7. Luis Aparicio
8. Lefty Gomez
9. Eppa Rixey
10. Rafael Palmeiro
11. Larry Walker
12. Jake Beckley


Contributors
1. Bucky Harris
2. Ernie Harwell
3. Doug Harvey
4. Red Smith
5. John Schuerholz

[jalbright]

Note: I briefly considered Hodges for the players list, then realized I was combining the two. The way the Hall of Fame does it, he should be in already. Separating him as we do, he's probably borderline for each, but the competition's fiercer for players than contributors, so I voted him for the latter.

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14) Other than the sportsmanship and character issues, players are to be evaluated solely upon their play. I would prefer that if a player is qualified by his play standing alone that he be elected on that basis. However, a candidate may only be elected either as a contributor or a player, but not both. Contributors are the area where the entire body of work during his career in the sport, including his play, managing, scouting, executive, writing, broadcasting or other work in the sport is relevant.

You wound up with the right approach to the Hodges situation, as the quoted portion of the rules makes clear.

[J W]

Hi Jim!

Players

1. John Smoltz
2. Larry Walker
3. Rafael Palmeiro
4. Trevor Hoffman
5. Eppa Rixey
6. Kevin Brown
7. Joe Sewell
8. Rollie Fingers
9. Luis Aparicio
10. Wally Berger
11. Billy Pierce
12. Kirby Puckett

Puckett returns after getting the boot last year. Backlog: Buddy Bell, Bobby Bonds, Jack Clark, Darrell Evans, Tommy John, Kenny Lofton, Carl Mays, Fred McGriff, Dale Murphy, Graig Nettles, Willie Randolph, Lee Smith

Contributors

1. John Schuerholz
2. Davey Johnson
3. Billy Martin
4. Doug Harvey
5. Bob Howsam

The GM for the Big Red Machine is back on the ballot. Still waiting for their turn: Sy Berger, Augie Busch, Jocko Conlan, Cal Hubbard, Tim Murnane, Lou Piniella, Grantland Rice, and Red Schoendienst.

[Dogdaze]

Players:
1. John Smoltz
2. Larry Walker
3. Trevor Hoffman
4. Luis Aparicio
5. Eppa Rixey
6. Sal Bando
7. Bruce Sutter
8. Dan Quisenberry
9. Kirby Puckett
10. Ray Dandridge
11. Chino Smith
12. Albert Belle

Contributors:

1. David Neft
2. Shigeru Mizuhara
3. Alex Pompez
4. John Scheurholtz
5. Red Smith

[jalbright]

Inside of two days left in this election/

[jalbright]

This election is open until just before midnight tonight EST.

On another point, I've decided that for elections now and in the future, two will definitely be elected, but we'll take the third place finisher if he also is named on at least 75% of the ballots.

[jalbright]

This election is now over, and we inducted John Smoltz and Larry Walker among the players, since third place finisher Trevor Hoffman was shy of being mentioned on 75% of the ballots (he was on 5 of the nine ballots) and David Neft among the contributors. The official results follow, players first:

90 Smoltz, John
82 Walker, Larry
46 Hoffman, Trevor
35 Palmiero, Rafael
34 Bando, Sal
33 Lofton, Kenny
31 Brown, Kevin
28 Puckett, Kirby
25 Mullane , Tony
24 Aparicio, Luis
24 Rixey, Eppa
23 Belle, Albert
21 McGriff, Fred
14 Duffy , Hugh
12 Dandridge, Ray
12 Shocker, Urban
12 Sutter, Bruce
11 Nettles, Graig
10 Beckley , Jake
9 Evans, Darrell
8 Grimes , Burleigh
8 Munson, Thurman
8 Randolph, Willie
8 Saberhagen, Bret
8 Smith, Lee
7 Bond, Tommy
7 Leach , Tommy
7 Lundy , Dick
7 Perez, Tony
7 Quisenberry, Dan
6 Sewell , Joe
5 Bonds, Bobby
5 Cone, David
5 Fingers, Rollie
5 Gomez, Lefty
5 Pierce, Billy
4 Jones, Charley
3 Berger , Wally
3 Evers, Johnny
3 Newcombe, Don
3 Smith, Chino
2 Pike, Lip
1 Linares, Omar
1 Rice, Sam


Now the contributors:
20 Neft, David
18 Schuerhotlz, John
15 Mizuhara, Shigeru
10 Harvey, Doug
9 Pompez, Alex
8 Smith, Red
6 Harris , Bucky
6 Martin, Billy
5 Caray, Harry
5 Flood, Curt
5 Pesky, Johnny
4 Harwell, Ernie
4 Jobe, Frank
4 Johnson, Davey
4 McCarthy, Tommy
3 Hodges, Gil
2 Lardner, Ring
2 O'Doul, Lefty
2 Uecker, Bob
1 Andrews, James
1 Bouton, Jim
1 Howsam, Bob


See you after next season for the 2013 election!