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  • #16
    Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
    Contributors:
    ......
    5 James Andrews - write-in - I am open to changing this, but think maybe a doctor is worthy of election.
    Andrews qualifies, so the vote is permitted.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    • #17
      Players

      1. John Smoltz
      2. Albert Belle
      3. Tony Mullane
      4. Trevor Hoffman
      5. Lee Smith
      6. Tommy Bond
      7. Larry Walker
      8. Rafael Palmeiro
      9. Willie Randolph
      10. Tony Perez
      11. Darrell Evans
      12. Kenny Lofton

      Contributors

      1. Curt Flood
      2. Frank Jobe
      3. Gil Hodges
      4. Ring Lardner
      5. Jim Bouton

      Note: I briefly considered Hodges for the players list, then realized I was combining the two. The way the Hall of Fame does it, he should be in already. Separating him as we do, he's probably borderline for each, but the competition's fiercer for players than contributors, so I voted him for the latter. I also didn't disqualify PED-suspicious players entirely, but did grade them on something of an arbitrary curve. As much as I dislike Clemens and Palmeiro, I had to conclude that they would have been worthy of their places even had they been clean.

      I'm happy to be voting in my first election!
      Last edited by toomanyhatz; 11-23-2012, 12:50 PM. Reason: Replace Clemens (already elected) with Lofton
      Found in a fortune cookie On Thursday, August 18th, 2005: "Hard words break no bones, Kind words butter no parsnips."

      1955 1959 1963 1965 1981 1988 2017?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by toomanyhatz View Post
        Players

        ....
        2. Roger Clemens


        I'm happy to be voting in my first election!
        Welcome to our project! I value the participation of everybody, especially since right now I'm scuffling to get the level of participation in this project I want. Your ballot will count, but Clemens has already been elected (I see he wasn't on the list in the thread as having been inducted, which has now been corrected). So all the players below him move up if you don't fix this, and the #12 spot is open. I would prefer you fix it yourself, though, and fill that open spot. I'll also PM you on this.
        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by jalbright View Post
          Welcome to our project! I value the participation of everybody, especially since right now I'm scuffling to get the level of participation in this project I want. Your ballot will count, but Clemens has already been elected (I see he wasn't on the list in the thread as having been inducted, which has now been corrected). So all the players below him move up if you don't fix this, and the #12 spot is open. I would prefer you fix it yourself, though, and fill that open spot. I'll also PM you on this.
          Done. Lofton moved into the #12 spot.

          Yeah, I was surprised to see Clemens on the eligible list, but figured the 'roids thing was keeping him out. Glad that's been cleared up.

          P.S. - when you get a chance, you should edit the eligible list as well, as Clemens is still on it.
          Last edited by toomanyhatz; 11-23-2012, 12:53 PM.
          Found in a fortune cookie On Thursday, August 18th, 2005: "Hard words break no bones, Kind words butter no parsnips."

          1955 1959 1963 1965 1981 1988 2017?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by toomanyhatz View Post
            Done. Lofton moved into the #12 spot.

            Yeah, I was surprised to see Clemens on the eligible list, but figured the 'roids thing was keeping him out. Glad that's been cleared up.

            P.S. - when you get a chance, you should edit the eligible list as well, as Clemens is still on it.
            Your change is noted and also Clemens is no longer on the eligible list. Thanks.
            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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            • #21
              1. Kirby Puckett
              2. Albert Belle
              3. John Smoltz
              4. Fred McGriff
              5. Burleigh Grimes
              6. Trevor Hoffman
              7. Luis Aparicio
              8. Lefty Gomez
              9. Eppa Rixey
              10. Rafael Palmeiro
              11. Larry Walker
              12. Jake Beckley


              Contributors
              1. Bucky Harris
              2. Ernie Harwell
              3. Doug Harvey
              4. Red Smith
              5. John Schuerholz
              Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
              Joe Gary MCA Emanuel Sonny Dave Earl Stan
              Jonathan Neil Roger Anthony Ray Thomas Art Don
              Gates Philip John Warrior Rik Casey Tony Horace
              Robin Bill Ernie JEDI

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              • #22
                Originally posted by toomanyhatz View Post
                Note: I briefly considered Hodges for the players list, then realized I was combining the two. The way the Hall of Fame does it, he should be in already. Separating him as we do, he's probably borderline for each, but the competition's fiercer for players than contributors, so I voted him for the latter.
                Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                ...
                14) Other than the sportsmanship and character issues, players are to be evaluated solely upon their play. I would prefer that if a player is qualified by his play standing alone that he be elected on that basis. However, a candidate may only be elected either as a contributor or a player, but not both. Contributors are the area where the entire body of work during his career in the sport, including his play, managing, scouting, executive, writing, broadcasting or other work in the sport is relevant.
                You wound up with the right approach to the Hodges situation, as the quoted portion of the rules makes clear.
                Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                • #23
                  Hi Jim!

                  Players

                  1. John Smoltz
                  2. Larry Walker
                  3. Rafael Palmeiro
                  4. Trevor Hoffman
                  5. Eppa Rixey
                  6. Kevin Brown
                  7. Joe Sewell
                  8. Rollie Fingers
                  9. Luis Aparicio
                  10. Wally Berger
                  11. Billy Pierce
                  12. Kirby Puckett

                  Puckett returns after getting the boot last year. Backlog: Buddy Bell, Bobby Bonds, Jack Clark, Darrell Evans, Tommy John, Kenny Lofton, Carl Mays, Fred McGriff, Dale Murphy, Graig Nettles, Willie Randolph, Lee Smith

                  Contributors

                  1. John Schuerholz
                  2. Davey Johnson
                  3. Billy Martin
                  4. Doug Harvey
                  5. Bob Howsam

                  The GM for the Big Red Machine is back on the ballot. Still waiting for their turn: Sy Berger, Augie Busch, Jocko Conlan, Cal Hubbard, Tim Murnane, Lou Piniella, Grantland Rice, and Red Schoendienst.
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                  • #24
                    Players:
                    1. John Smoltz
                    2. Larry Walker
                    3. Trevor Hoffman
                    4. Luis Aparicio
                    5. Eppa Rixey
                    6. Sal Bando
                    7. Bruce Sutter
                    8. Dan Quisenberry
                    9. Kirby Puckett
                    10. Ray Dandridge
                    11. Chino Smith
                    12. Albert Belle

                    Contributors:

                    1. David Neft
                    2. Shigeru Mizuhara
                    3. Alex Pompez
                    4. John Scheurholtz
                    5. Red Smith

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                    • #25
                      Inside of two days left in this election/
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                      • #26
                        This election is open until just before midnight tonight EST.

                        On another point, I've decided that for elections now and in the future, two will definitely be elected, but we'll take the third place finisher if he also is named on at least 75% of the ballots.
                        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                        • #27
                          This election is now over, and we inducted John Smoltz and Larry Walker among the players, since third place finisher Trevor Hoffman was shy of being mentioned on 75% of the ballots (he was on 5 of the nine ballots) and David Neft among the contributors. The official results follow, players first:

                          90 Smoltz, John
                          82 Walker, Larry
                          46 Hoffman, Trevor
                          35 Palmiero, Rafael
                          34 Bando, Sal
                          33 Lofton, Kenny
                          31 Brown, Kevin
                          28 Puckett, Kirby
                          25 Mullane , Tony
                          24 Aparicio, Luis
                          24 Rixey, Eppa
                          23 Belle, Albert
                          21 McGriff, Fred
                          14 Duffy , Hugh
                          12 Dandridge, Ray
                          12 Shocker, Urban
                          12 Sutter, Bruce
                          11 Nettles, Graig
                          10 Beckley , Jake
                          9 Evans, Darrell
                          8 Grimes , Burleigh
                          8 Munson, Thurman
                          8 Randolph, Willie
                          8 Saberhagen, Bret
                          8 Smith, Lee
                          7 Bond, Tommy
                          7 Leach , Tommy
                          7 Lundy , Dick
                          7 Perez, Tony
                          7 Quisenberry, Dan
                          6 Sewell , Joe
                          5 Bonds, Bobby
                          5 Cone, David
                          5 Fingers, Rollie
                          5 Gomez, Lefty
                          5 Pierce, Billy
                          4 Jones, Charley
                          3 Berger , Wally
                          3 Evers, Johnny
                          3 Newcombe, Don
                          3 Smith, Chino
                          2 Pike, Lip
                          1 Linares, Omar
                          1 Rice, Sam


                          Now the contributors:
                          20 Neft, David
                          18 Schuerhotlz, John
                          15 Mizuhara, Shigeru
                          10 Harvey, Doug
                          9 Pompez, Alex
                          8 Smith, Red
                          6 Harris , Bucky
                          6 Martin, Billy
                          5 Caray, Harry
                          5 Flood, Curt
                          5 Pesky, Johnny
                          4 Harwell, Ernie
                          4 Jobe, Frank
                          4 Johnson, Davey
                          4 McCarthy, Tommy
                          3 Hodges, Gil
                          2 Lardner, Ring
                          2 O'Doul, Lefty
                          2 Uecker, Bob
                          1 Andrews, James
                          1 Bouton, Jim
                          1 Howsam, Bob


                          See you after next season for the 2013 election!
                          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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