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  • jalbright
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    This election is now over, and we inducted John Smoltz and Larry Walker among the players, since third place finisher Trevor Hoffman was shy of being mentioned on 75% of the ballots (he was on 5 of the nine ballots) and David Neft among the contributors. The official results follow, players first:

    90 Smoltz, John
    82 Walker, Larry
    46 Hoffman, Trevor
    35 Palmiero, Rafael
    34 Bando, Sal
    33 Lofton, Kenny
    31 Brown, Kevin
    28 Puckett, Kirby
    25 Mullane , Tony
    24 Aparicio, Luis
    24 Rixey, Eppa
    23 Belle, Albert
    21 McGriff, Fred
    14 Duffy , Hugh
    12 Dandridge, Ray
    12 Shocker, Urban
    12 Sutter, Bruce
    11 Nettles, Graig
    10 Beckley , Jake
    9 Evans, Darrell
    8 Grimes , Burleigh
    8 Munson, Thurman
    8 Randolph, Willie
    8 Saberhagen, Bret
    8 Smith, Lee
    7 Bond, Tommy
    7 Leach , Tommy
    7 Lundy , Dick
    7 Perez, Tony
    7 Quisenberry, Dan
    6 Sewell , Joe
    5 Bonds, Bobby
    5 Cone, David
    5 Fingers, Rollie
    5 Gomez, Lefty
    5 Pierce, Billy
    4 Jones, Charley
    3 Berger , Wally
    3 Evers, Johnny
    3 Newcombe, Don
    3 Smith, Chino
    2 Pike, Lip
    1 Linares, Omar
    1 Rice, Sam


    Now the contributors:
    20 Neft, David
    18 Schuerhotlz, John
    15 Mizuhara, Shigeru
    10 Harvey, Doug
    9 Pompez, Alex
    8 Smith, Red
    6 Harris , Bucky
    6 Martin, Billy
    5 Caray, Harry
    5 Flood, Curt
    5 Pesky, Johnny
    4 Harwell, Ernie
    4 Jobe, Frank
    4 Johnson, Davey
    4 McCarthy, Tommy
    3 Hodges, Gil
    2 Lardner, Ring
    2 O'Doul, Lefty
    2 Uecker, Bob
    1 Andrews, James
    1 Bouton, Jim
    1 Howsam, Bob


    See you after next season for the 2013 election!

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  • jalbright
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    This election is open until just before midnight tonight EST.

    On another point, I've decided that for elections now and in the future, two will definitely be elected, but we'll take the third place finisher if he also is named on at least 75% of the ballots.

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  • jalbright
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    Inside of two days left in this election/

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  • Dogdaze
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    Players:
    1. John Smoltz
    2. Larry Walker
    3. Trevor Hoffman
    4. Luis Aparicio
    5. Eppa Rixey
    6. Sal Bando
    7. Bruce Sutter
    8. Dan Quisenberry
    9. Kirby Puckett
    10. Ray Dandridge
    11. Chino Smith
    12. Albert Belle

    Contributors:

    1. David Neft
    2. Shigeru Mizuhara
    3. Alex Pompez
    4. John Scheurholtz
    5. Red Smith

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  • J W
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    Hi Jim!

    Players

    1. John Smoltz
    2. Larry Walker
    3. Rafael Palmeiro
    4. Trevor Hoffman
    5. Eppa Rixey
    6. Kevin Brown
    7. Joe Sewell
    8. Rollie Fingers
    9. Luis Aparicio
    10. Wally Berger
    11. Billy Pierce
    12. Kirby Puckett

    Puckett returns after getting the boot last year. Backlog: Buddy Bell, Bobby Bonds, Jack Clark, Darrell Evans, Tommy John, Kenny Lofton, Carl Mays, Fred McGriff, Dale Murphy, Graig Nettles, Willie Randolph, Lee Smith

    Contributors

    1. John Schuerholz
    2. Davey Johnson
    3. Billy Martin
    4. Doug Harvey
    5. Bob Howsam

    The GM for the Big Red Machine is back on the ballot. Still waiting for their turn: Sy Berger, Augie Busch, Jocko Conlan, Cal Hubbard, Tim Murnane, Lou Piniella, Grantland Rice, and Red Schoendienst.

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  • jalbright
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    Originally posted by toomanyhatz View Post
    Note: I briefly considered Hodges for the players list, then realized I was combining the two. The way the Hall of Fame does it, he should be in already. Separating him as we do, he's probably borderline for each, but the competition's fiercer for players than contributors, so I voted him for the latter.
    Originally posted by jalbright View Post
    ...
    14) Other than the sportsmanship and character issues, players are to be evaluated solely upon their play. I would prefer that if a player is qualified by his play standing alone that he be elected on that basis. However, a candidate may only be elected either as a contributor or a player, but not both. Contributors are the area where the entire body of work during his career in the sport, including his play, managing, scouting, executive, writing, broadcasting or other work in the sport is relevant.
    You wound up with the right approach to the Hodges situation, as the quoted portion of the rules makes clear.

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  • Captain Cold Nose
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    1. Kirby Puckett
    2. Albert Belle
    3. John Smoltz
    4. Fred McGriff
    5. Burleigh Grimes
    6. Trevor Hoffman
    7. Luis Aparicio
    8. Lefty Gomez
    9. Eppa Rixey
    10. Rafael Palmeiro
    11. Larry Walker
    12. Jake Beckley


    Contributors
    1. Bucky Harris
    2. Ernie Harwell
    3. Doug Harvey
    4. Red Smith
    5. John Schuerholz

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  • jalbright
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    Originally posted by toomanyhatz View Post
    Done. Lofton moved into the #12 spot.

    Yeah, I was surprised to see Clemens on the eligible list, but figured the 'roids thing was keeping him out. Glad that's been cleared up.

    P.S. - when you get a chance, you should edit the eligible list as well, as Clemens is still on it.
    Your change is noted and also Clemens is no longer on the eligible list. Thanks.

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  • toomanyhatz
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    Originally posted by jalbright View Post
    Welcome to our project! I value the participation of everybody, especially since right now I'm scuffling to get the level of participation in this project I want. Your ballot will count, but Clemens has already been elected (I see he wasn't on the list in the thread as having been inducted, which has now been corrected). So all the players below him move up if you don't fix this, and the #12 spot is open. I would prefer you fix it yourself, though, and fill that open spot. I'll also PM you on this.
    Done. Lofton moved into the #12 spot.

    Yeah, I was surprised to see Clemens on the eligible list, but figured the 'roids thing was keeping him out. Glad that's been cleared up.

    P.S. - when you get a chance, you should edit the eligible list as well, as Clemens is still on it.
    Last edited by toomanyhatz; 11-23-2012, 12:53 PM.

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  • jalbright
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    Originally posted by toomanyhatz View Post
    Players

    ....
    2. Roger Clemens


    I'm happy to be voting in my first election!
    Welcome to our project! I value the participation of everybody, especially since right now I'm scuffling to get the level of participation in this project I want. Your ballot will count, but Clemens has already been elected (I see he wasn't on the list in the thread as having been inducted, which has now been corrected). So all the players below him move up if you don't fix this, and the #12 spot is open. I would prefer you fix it yourself, though, and fill that open spot. I'll also PM you on this.

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  • toomanyhatz
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    Players

    1. John Smoltz
    2. Albert Belle
    3. Tony Mullane
    4. Trevor Hoffman
    5. Lee Smith
    6. Tommy Bond
    7. Larry Walker
    8. Rafael Palmeiro
    9. Willie Randolph
    10. Tony Perez
    11. Darrell Evans
    12. Kenny Lofton

    Contributors

    1. Curt Flood
    2. Frank Jobe
    3. Gil Hodges
    4. Ring Lardner
    5. Jim Bouton

    Note: I briefly considered Hodges for the players list, then realized I was combining the two. The way the Hall of Fame does it, he should be in already. Separating him as we do, he's probably borderline for each, but the competition's fiercer for players than contributors, so I voted him for the latter. I also didn't disqualify PED-suspicious players entirely, but did grade them on something of an arbitrary curve. As much as I dislike Clemens and Palmeiro, I had to conclude that they would have been worthy of their places even had they been clean.

    I'm happy to be voting in my first election!
    Last edited by toomanyhatz; 11-23-2012, 12:50 PM. Reason: Replace Clemens (already elected) with Lofton

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  • jalbright
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    Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
    Contributors:
    ......
    5 James Andrews - write-in - I am open to changing this, but think maybe a doctor is worthy of election.
    Andrews qualifies, so the vote is permitted.

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  • Jar of Flies
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    Ballot 2011:
    1 John Smoltz
    2 Kevin Brown
    3 Larry Walker
    4 Kenny Lofton
    5 Bret Saberhagen
    6 Dick Lundy
    7 Darrell Evans
    8 Rafael Palmeiro
    9 David Cone
    10 Don Newcombe
    11 Urban Shocker
    12 Omar Linares

    Contributors:
    1 Johnny Pesky
    2 John Schierholtz
    3 Shigeru Mizuhara
    4 Doug Harvey
    5 James Andrews - write-in - I am open to changing this, but think maybe a doctor is worthy of election.
    Last edited by Jar of Flies; 11-22-2012, 01:23 PM.

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  • TheMendozaLine
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    Originally posted by jalbright View Post
    Wilkinson has already been inducted. The ballot will count without substituting for him, but I'd like you to do that. I'll PM you on this as well.
    Thanks for the catch. I have corrected my ballot.

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  • jalbright
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    Originally posted by TheMendozaLine View Post
    Contributors:
    ...
    5. J.L. Wilkinson
    Wilkinson has already been inducted. The ballot will count without substituting for him, but I'd like you to do that. I'll PM you on this as well.

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