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  • BBF Progressive HoF Election: 1902

    PLEASE READ BEFORE VOTING!

    Format and Rules
    For the sake of simplification, convenience, and continuity, we will adopt the rules currently employed by the BBWAA and apply them throughout, with the exception of modifications made for first five elections (and perhaps longer if necessary):

    Voting Rules: For at least the first five elections, voters may vote for between 0-15 candidates (the number will be eventually be cut to 10). A "None of the Above" option is available if you believe no one is worthy and you wish to submit a blank ballot. Votes will be made public, and voters are encouraged to post their ballots in the thread and not view results before voting. PLEASE LIMIT YOUR BALLOT TO 15 VOTES AT MOST. EXCESS VOTES MAY RESULT IN YOUR BALLOT BEING DISQUALIFIED.

    Thoughtfulness and Editing Ballots: Please review and thoughtfully consider the candidates before voting, and make sure you have accurately filled out your ballot before submitting. Requests for editing ballots after the fact will generally not be honored. Exceptions might be made if a voter accidentally voted for the wrong player or accidentally went over the voting limit (but I strongly encourage you to do your best to prevent either from happening).

    Required Support: Players receiving at least 75% support in an election will be elected. For the first five elections, a player must receive at least one vote to appear on the next ballot, though extra considerations may be made for players not receiving a vote in the first election. After the first five elections, players will need at least 5% support to stay on the ballot.

    Player Eligibility: Players eligible for an election will have last played at least 5 years prior to the election year and have appeared in at least 10 major league seasons. Players will remain on the ballot for 15 years, provided they continue to receive at least 5% of the vote.
    - Early Election Modifications: To be eligible for the first election, players must have played at least 7 seasons between 1871 and 1896. The next four elections will have an 8 year rule. Players from before this period, or who do not meet the 7 year requirement, or who are no longer eligible for the current election, will be eligible for the Veterans/Pioneers Committee, provided their last appearance was no later than 1882. Players eligible in the first election will be eligible for 15 years, regardless of when they retired, and provided they meet the minimum support requirements.

    Election Period: Elections will close exactly a week after starting. The next election might not commence for another day or two.


    1902 Guide
    There are 52 candidates on the 1902 ballot. First time eligible players last played in 1897.

    First Timers (9)
    Cap Anson
    Roger Connor
    Buck Ewing
    Bill Hutchison
    Silver King
    Denny Lyons
    Sadie McMahon
    Fred Pfeffer
    Adonis Terry

    Holdovers (43)
    Code:
    Player			Year of Eligibility	High Support	Previous Year’s Support
    Ross Barnes		2nd			50.00%		50.00%
    Charlie Bennett		2nd			45.00%		45.00%
    Pete Browning		2nd			40.00%		40.00%
    Charlie Buffinton*	2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    Oyster Burns*		2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    Bob Caruthers		2nd			30.00%		30.00%
    Charlie Comiskey	2nd			5.00%		5.00%
    Larry Corcoran		2nd			5.00%		5.00%
    Abner Dalrymple*	2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    Fred Dunlap*		2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    Bob Ferguson		2nd			5.00%		5.00%
    Silver Flint*		2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    Davy Force*		2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    Dave Foutz*		2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    Pud Galvin		2nd			65.00%		65.00%
    Jack Glasscock		2nd			25.00%		25.00%
    George Gore		2nd			45.00%		45.00%
    Ned Hanlon		2nd			5.00%		5.00%
    Paul Hines		2nd			65.00%		65.00%
    Charley Jones		2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    King Kelly		2nd			70.00%		70.00%
    Bobby Mathews		2nd			5.00%		5.00%
    Tommy McCarthy		2nd			5.00%		5.00%
    Jim McCormick		2nd			5.00%		5.00%
    Cal McVey		2nd			20.00%		20.00%
    Levi Meyerle*		2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    Tony Mullane		2nd			45.00%		45.00%
    Tip O’Neill*		2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    Dave Orr*		2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    Lip Pike		2nd			5.00%		5.00%
    Hardy Richardson	2nd			10.00%		10.00%
    Jack Rowe*		2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    Al Spalding		2nd			30.00%		30.00%
    Joe Start		2nd			35.00%		35.00%
    Harry Stovey		2nd			50.00%		50.00%
    Ezra Sutton		2nd			35.00%		35.00%
    John Ward		2nd			60.00%		60.00%
    Mickey Welch		2nd			25.00%		25.00%
    Deacon White		2nd			60.00%		60.00%
    Will White*		2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    Ned Williamson*		2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    George Wright		2nd			45.00%		45.00%
    Tom York*		2nd			0.00%		0.00%
    
    * = Player on 1902 ballot despite not receiving a vote in 1901
    Holdovers Receiving At Least 50% in the Previous Election (7)
    Code:
    Player			1901 Support
    King Kelly		70.00%
    Pud Galvin		65.00%
    Paul Hines		65.00%
    John Ward		60.00%
    Deacon White		60.00%
    Ross Barnes		50.00%
    Harry Stovey		50.00%
    Last Year of Eligibility (0)

    Penultimate Year of Eligibility (0)


    Hall of Famers

    Players Elected (5)
    Code:
    Player			Year Elected	Election Percentage	Years on Ballot
    Dan Brouthers		1901		90.00%			1
    John Clarkson		1901		90.00%			1
    Tim Keefe		1901		75.00%			1
    Jim O’Rourke		1901		90.00%			1
    Charley Radbourn	1901		95.00%			1
    Players Elected by Position
    Code:
    Position	Total	Players			Year Elected
    Catcher		0
    First Base	1	Dan Brouthers		1901
    Second Base	0
    Third Base	0
    Shortstop	0
    Left Field	1	Jim O’Rourke		1901
    Center Field	0
    Right Field	0
    Pitcher		3	John Clarkson		1901
    			Tim Keefe
    			Charley Radbourn	1901
    Players Elected by Year
    Code:
    Year		Player
    1901		Dan  Brouthers
    		John Clarkson
    		Tim Keefe
    		Jim O’Rourke
    		Charley Radbourn
    Number of Ballots Submitted in Past Elections
    1901: 20

    Links to Past Elections
    1901
    280
    Cap Anson, 1B (1871-1897) - 1st
    8.57%
    24
    Ross Barnes, 2B (1871-1879) - 2nd
    5.00%
    14
    Charlie Bennett, C (1878, 1880-1893) - 2nd
    2.86%
    8
    Pete Browning, CF (1882-1894) - 2nd
    3.21%
    9
    Charlie Buffinton, SP (1882-1892) - 2nd
    0.00%
    0
    Oyster Burns, RF (1884-1885, 1887-1895) - 2nd
    0.36%
    1
    Bob Caruthers, SP/RF (1884-1893) - 2nd
    2.50%
    7
    Charlie Comiskey, 1B (1882-1894) - 2nd
    0.36%
    1
    Roger Conner, 1B (1880-1897) - 1st
    6.79%
    19
    Larry Corcoran, SP (1880-1887) - 2nd
    0.36%
    1
    Abner Dalrymple, LF (1878-1888, 1891) - 2nd
    0.00%
    0
    Fred Dunlap, 2B (1880-1891) - 2nd
    0.00%
    0
    Buck Ewing, C (1880-1897) - 1st
    7.14%
    20
    Bob Ferguson, 3B/2B (1871-1884) - 2nd
    0.71%
    2
    Silver Flint, C (1878-1889) - 2nd
    0.00%
    0
    Davy Force, SS (1871-1877, 1879-1886) - 2nd
    0.00%
    0
    Dave Foutz, 1B/SP (1884-1896) - 2nd
    0.00%
    0
    Pud Galvin, SP (1879-1892) - 2nd
    6.07%
    17
    Jack Glasscock, SS (1879-1895) - 2nd
    1.79%
    5
    George Gore, CF (1879-1892) - 2nd
    3.21%
    9
    Ned Hanlon, CF (1880-1892) - 2nd
    0.36%
    1
    Paul Hines, CF (1872-1891) - 2nd
    4.64%
    13
    Bill Hutchinson, SP (1884, 1889-1895, 1897) - 1st
    0.00%
    0
    Charley Jones, LF (1875-1880, 1883-1888) - 2nd
    0.36%
    1
    King Kelly, RF/C (1878-1892) - 2nd
    6.43%
    18
    Silver King, SP (1886-1897) - 1st
    0.00%
    0
    Denny Lyons, 3B (1885-1897) - 1st
    0.36%
    1
    Bobby Mathews, SP (1871-1879, 1881-1887) - 2nd
    0.36%
    1
    Tommy McCarthy, RF (1884-1896) - 2nd
    0.00%
    0
    Jim McCormick, SP (1878-1887) - 2nd
    0.36%
    1
    Sadie McMahon, SP (1889-1897) - 1st
    0.00%
    0
    Cal McVey, C/1B (1871-1879) - 2nd
    1.07%
    3
    Levi Meyerle, 3B (1871-1877) - 2nd
    0.36%
    1
    Tony Mullane, SP (1881-1884, 1886-1894) - 2nd
    2.86%
    8
    Tip O'Neill, LF (1883-1892) - 2nd
    0.71%
    2
    Dave Orr, 1B (1883-1890) - 2nd
    0.71%
    2
    Fred Pfeffer, 2B (1882-1897) - 1st
    0.00%
    0
    Lip Pike, CF (1871-1878, 1881, 1887) - 2nd
    1.07%
    3
    Hardy Richardson, 2B/LF (1879-1892) - 2nd
    1.79%
    5
    Jack Rowe, SS/C (1879-1890) - 2nd
    0.00%
    0
    Al Spalding, SP (1871-1877) - 2nd
    3.21%
    9
    Joe Start, 1B (1871-1886) - 2nd
    2.86%
    8
    Harry Stovey, LF/1B (1880-1893) - 2nd
    3.93%
    11
    Ezra Sutton, 3B (1871-1888) - 2nd
    3.21%
    9
    Adonis Terry, SP (1884-1897) - 1st
    0.00%
    0
    John Ward, SS/SP (1878-1894) - 2nd
    5.36%
    15
    Mickey Welch, SP (1880-1892) - 2nd
    1.79%
    5
    Deacon White, 3B/C (1871-1890) - 2nd
    5.36%
    15
    Will White, SP (1877-1886) - 2nd
    0.36%
    1
    Ned Williamson, 3B (1878-1890) - 2nd
    0.00%
    0
    George Wright, SS (1871-1882) - 2nd
    3.57%
    10
    Tom York, LF (1871-1885) - 2nd
    0.00%
    0
    None of the Above (Blank Ballot)
    0.00%
    0

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by DoubleX; 05-13-2008, 03:43 PM.

  • #2
    My ballot:

    Cap Anson
    Charlie Bennett
    Pete Browning
    Roger Conner
    Buck Ewing
    Pud Galvin
    Jack Glasscock
    George Gore
    Paul Hines
    King Kelly
    Tony Mullane
    Hardy Richardson
    Ezra Sutton
    John Ward
    Deacon White

    Remember everyone, that the 1 vote rule is now in effect. So if a player does not get a vote this time, there is no reprieve.
    Last edited by DoubleX; 05-13-2008, 12:56 PM.

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    • #3
      My Ballot

      Cap Anson
      Pud Galvin
      Mickey Welch
      My dream ballpark dimensions
      LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
      RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
      Location....San Diego

      Comment


      • #4
        You Should Vote For...

        Anson
        Barnes
        Connor
        Ewing
        Galvin
        Glasscock
        Gore
        Hines
        Kelly
        Start
        Stovey
        Sutton
        Ward
        D.White
        Wright
        Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

        Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sockeye View Post
          Cap Anson
          Pud Galvin
          Mickey Welch
          I observe that Sockeye has added one position player to his ballot. I am still wondering why he has not added more position players, and have yet to hear what his standard for listing a position player is. Many contemporary observers said that the combination of Ewing's offense and his defense at catcher made him the greatest position player of his era. So why Anson and no other position player?

          Comment


          • #6
            Cap Anson
            Ross Barnes
            Charlie Bennett
            Pete Browning
            Bob Caruthers
            Roger Connor
            Buck Ewing
            Pud Galvin
            Jack Glasscock
            George Gore
            Paul Hines
            Mike Kelly
            Harry Stovey
            John Montgomery Ward
            Deacon White
            Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
            Joe Gary MCA Emanuel Sonny Dave Earl Stan
            Jonathan Neil Roger Anthony Ray Thomas Art Don
            Gates Philip John Warrior Rik Casey Tony Horace
            Robin Bill Ernie JEDI

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            • #7
              Voted for:

              1. Cap Anson
              2. Ross Barnes
              3. Charlie Bennett
              4. Bob Caruthers
              5. Roger Conner
              6. Buck Ewing
              7. Jack Glasscock
              8. George Gore
              9. Paul Hines
              10. King Kelly
              11. Lip Pike
              12. Joe Start
              13. Harry Stovey
              14. Ezra Sutton
              15. Deacon White

              I'm likely to vote for these guys when I have room if they make it to the 1903 ballot:

              1. Pud Galvin
              2. Cal McVey
              3. Tony Mullane
              4. Hardy Richardson
              5. John Ward
              6. George Wright

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              • #8
                DoubleX,
                Did you vote for 14 in the poll or omit one when writing it up?

                I intend to write "(15)" or so to confirm that I intend a full ballot, or not, same as my BBFHOF ballot now begins "This is a vote for 23".

                This is a vote for eight (8), for illustration only.
                Anson
                Barnes
                Connor
                Dalrymple
                Ewing
                Ferguson
                Gore
                Hines

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AG2004 View Post
                  I observe that Sockeye has added one position player to his ballot. I am still wondering why he has not added more position players, and have yet to hear what his standard for listing a position player is. Many contemporary observers said that the combination of Ewing's offense and his defense at catcher made him the greatest position player of his era. So why Anson and no other position player?
                  Sockeye,
                  Next door you are voting for Browning, McVey, Richardson, and Welch.
                  Your interpretation here seems to be not simply strict but unchanged for pitchers and strict for others.

                  (All,
                  That ballot is in the BBFHOF "voting thread" for the cycle that ends Friday. The BBFHOF now includes 241 players, a few more than Cooperstown; or a few less than Cooperstown if the count is limited to players eligible there.)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Paul Wendt View Post
                    DoubleX,
                    Did you vote for 14 in the poll or omit one when writing it up?
                    I voted for 15. I forgot to put Glasscock on the list I posted.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      My votes:

                      Anson
                      Bennett
                      Connor
                      Ewing
                      Galvin

                      Glasscock
                      Gore
                      Hines
                      Kelly
                      Mullane

                      Start
                      Stovey
                      Sutton
                      Ward
                      D. White

                      The one guy I'm hoping makes it to the next round is Hardy Richardson. I also missed George Wright, but I'll get him next time, as he already has a vote.
                      Last edited by jalbright; 05-13-2008, 01:49 PM.
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                        The one guy I'm hoping makes it to the next round is Hardy Richardson.
                        Richardson has a vote, so if I'm reading DoubleX's writeup correctly that means he is going to be on the 1903 ballot.

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                        • #13
                          Anson
                          Barnes
                          Bennett
                          Conner
                          Ewing
                          Galvin
                          Gore
                          Hines
                          Kelly
                          McVey
                          Mullane
                          Spaulding
                          Ward
                          White, D.
                          Wright

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by AG2004 View Post
                            I observe that Sockeye has added one position player to his ballot. I am still wondering why he has not added more position players, and have yet to hear what his standard for listing a position player is. Many contemporary observers said that the combination of Ewing's offense and his defense at catcher made him the greatest position player of his era. So why Anson and no other position player?
                            Buck Ewing

                            Black Ink: Batting - 5 (368) (Average HOFer ≈ 27)
                            Gray Ink: Batting - 97 (229) (Average HOFer ≈ 144)
                            HOF Standards: Batting - 35.9 (185) (Average HOFer ≈ 50)
                            HOF Monitor: Batting - 35.0 (505) (Likely HOFer > 100)

                            Even when considering defense and positional adjustments it doesn't exactly scream hall of famer to me. Anson has the rare combination of longevity and production that few position players from this era are able to match. Anson, Galvin, and Welch are the only three from this ballot truly deserving of HOF honors.
                            My dream ballpark dimensions
                            LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
                            RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
                            Location....San Diego

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sockeye View Post
                              Buck Ewing

                              Black Ink: Batting - 5 (368) (Average HOFer ≈ 27)
                              Gray Ink: Batting - 97 (229) (Average HOFer ≈ 144)
                              HOF Standards: Batting - 35.9 (185) (Average HOFer ≈ 50)
                              HOF Monitor: Batting - 35.0 (505) (Likely HOFer > 100)

                              Even when considering defense and positional adjustments it doesn't exactly scream hall of famer to me. Anson has the rare combination of longevity and production that few position players from this era are able to match. Anson, Galvin, and Welch are the only three from this ballot truly deserving of HOF honors.
                              What are these strange numbers you posted? What is a HOFer?

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