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  • #61
    Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
    Paul, I'm not going to change White's listing. I still believe his primary position is C, but there is enough to say that he isn't a catcher in the same sense that someone like Charlie Bennett was.
    Leaving White as a catcher is fine, but just realize that it is a big reason why 3B seems so underrepresented.

    That, and just the coinicidence that three great hiting 3Bmen of the 19th century had very short careers, and other great players who played some 3B ended up playing more at other spots.

    I can't wait to get Groh in now so we can get past the 3B discussions.
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    1900s League Champion
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    1930s League Division Winner
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    • #62
      --White had a pretty full career as a superstar catcher. that was followed by a second career as an okay thirdbaseman. Had he played third instead of catcher in the 1870s he would have been the best 3B of the 18th century - and possibly of all time. He didn't though and is claim to greatness is almost entirely based on his play as a catcher.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by leecemark View Post
        --White had a pretty full career as a superstar catcher. that was followed by a second career as an okay thirdbaseman. Had he played third instead of catcher in the 1870s he would have been the best 3B of the 18th century - and possibly of all time. He didn't though and is claim to greatness is almost entirely based on his play as a catcher.

        I didn't know there was base ball already in the 18th century.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post
          I didn't know there was base ball already in the 18th century.
          I think they were calling it rounders back then. :

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          • #65
            Carey
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            • #66
              Bumping up.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
                Bumping up.

                What does "bumping up" mean?
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post
                  What does "bumping up" mean?
                  Posting to keep the thread at the top of the queue.
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                  • #69
                    Here's who I have eligible for next year:

                    Pete Alexander
                    Dave Bancroft
                    Hal Carlson - May not be on ballot
                    Eddie Collins
                    Hank DeBerry - Likely won't be on ballot
                    Howard Ehmke
                    Ira Flagstead
                    Patsy Gharrity - Likely won't be on ballot
                    Sammy Hale - Likely won't be on ballot
                    Bubbles Hargrave
                    Carmen Hill - Likely won't be on ballot
                    Bob Meusel
                    Johnny Morrison - May not be on ballot
                    George Sisler
                    Earl Smith - May not be on ballot
                    Homer Summa - Likely won't be on ballot
                    Curt Walker
                    Cy Williams

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
                      Here's who I have eligible for next year:

                      Pete Alexander
                      Dave Bancroft
                      Eddie Collins
                      Howard Ehmke
                      Ira Flagstead
                      Bubbles Hargrave
                      Bob Meusel
                      George Sisler
                      Curt Walker
                      Cy Williams
                      Some good new arrivals, although they could stall the chances of some guys who were close this year, like Groh.

                      Definites - Alexander, Collins
                      Probables - Sisler
                      possibiles - Bancroft, Williams
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
                        Here's who I have eligible for next year:

                        Pete Alexander
                        Dave Bancroft
                        Hal Carlson - May not be on ballot
                        Eddie Collins
                        Hank DeBerry - Likely won't be on ballot
                        Howard Ehmke
                        Ira Flagstead
                        Patsy Gharrity - Likely won't be on ballot
                        Sammy Hale - Likely won't be on ballot
                        Bubbles Hargrave
                        Carmen Hill - Likely won't be on ballot
                        Bob Meusel
                        Johnny Morrison - May not be on ballot
                        George Sisler
                        Earl Smith - May not be on ballot
                        Homer Summa - Likely won't be on ballot
                        Curt Walker
                        Cy Williams
                        Of your cut list, Hal Carlson was a good pitcher who was the victim of poor run support. He deserves his 1 and done honors. Sammy Hale was a scrappy 3rd baseman who had excellent range, but also committed a lot of errors. He was a B at 3B in defensive win shares and was an effective hitter. He's very borderline for inclusion, but I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. Of course, it's highly improbably that either one will receive even a token vote.

                        The rest of the maybes or probably not's I'd cut, giving us this for the very interesting looking class of 1935 candidates:

                        Pete Alexander
                        Dave Bancroft
                        Hal Carlson
                        Eddie Collins
                        Howard Ehmke
                        Ira Flagstead
                        Sammy Hale
                        Bubbles Hargrave
                        Carmen Hill
                        Bob Meusel
                        Johnny Morrison
                        George Sisler
                        Curt Walker
                        Cy Williams

                        Pete Alexander and Eddie Collins are 1st ballot shoe ins. Dave Bancroft, Bob Meusel, George Sisler and Cy Williams also will probably have their share of supporters and might benefit from some discussion about their cases. Now that Babe Ruth has turned baseball upside down with his home runs, will Cy Williams get any extra attention? What do the folks here think of this new emphasis on power and home runs? It's looking like the Babe will no longer be a Yankee when the '35 season rolls in. He's getting old and looks overweight and clumsy. Does he have anything left in the tank?
                        Last edited by jjpm74; 01-14-2009, 03:21 PM.

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                        • #72
                          I'd be pretty surprised if Sisler didn't make it. He was held in very high regard at this point in time, and really for decades after.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
                            I'd be pretty surprised if Sisler didn't make it. He was held in very high regard at this point in time, and really for decades after.
                            Up until Gehrig burst on to the scene, has there been a better first basemen this century?

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
                              I'd be pretty surprised if Sisler didn't make it. He was held in very high regard at this point in time, and really for decades after.
                              Didn't Jake Beckley almost not get elected? Isnt George Sisler a similar 1st baseman.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by bambambaseball View Post
                                Didn't Jake Beckley almost not get elected? Isnt George Sisler a similar 1st baseman.
                                Sisler was significantly better than Beckley pre-injury/illness. And even taking Sisler's career numbers at face value, and ignoring their peak seasons, he looks to have a better case than Beckley.

                                Beckley - 10,470 PA's, .635 OWP, 125 OPS+, Black Ink (1), Grey Ink (165)
                                Sisler - 9013 PA's, .672 OWP, 124 OPS+, Black Ink (29), Grey Ink (198)
                                Last edited by mwiggins; 01-14-2009, 05:27 PM.

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