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BBF Progressive HoF Election: 1986

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  • #31
    Originally posted by Ace Venom View Post
    That once again brings to mind a candidate that lasted fifteen years on the ballot and languished on the VC ballot until 1970: Carl Mays. We practically waited until the guy was on his deathbed to elect him and that was just because he accidentally killed a guy.
    Did anybody actually not vote for Mays because of that pitch? I think the fact that he won just 208 games, pitched barely 3,000 innings in his career, and had an ERA+ (120) that wasn't that great when you factored in the level of defensive support that he received were the reasons he fell short for the handful of voters it took to keep him out.

    That, and he was probably completely off the radar of the casual voters, which made it hard to elect him in the normal elections.

    I was one of the 3 people who didn't vote for him in the '70 VC election, and the pitch that killed had nothing to do with it.

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    • #32
      Orlando Cepeda
      Bobby Bonds
      Norm Cash
      Tony Oliva
      Vada Pinson
      Frank Howard
      Rocky Colavito
      Bill Mazeroski
      Mike Marshall

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      • #33
        With Sal Bando seemingly stalling out, here's a comparison of Bando to another modern 3B - first ballot Hall of Famer Ken Boyer.

        Both players had careers of very similar lengths - 16 years and 8288 PA's for Sal vs. 15 years and 8268 for Ken.

        Career Win Shares:
        Boyer - 280
        Bando - 283

        Career WS/162:
        Boyer - 22.3
        Bando - 22.7

        # of 30+ Win Share Seasons:
        Boyer - 1
        Bando - 2

        Career WAR:
        Boyer - 58.4
        Bando - 60.6

        Top 5 WAR Seasons:
        Boyer - 7.8, 6.2, 6.2, 5.8, 5.6 (31.6)
        Bando - 8.9, 7.3, 6.3, 6.2, 5.8 (34.5)

        MVP Voting:
        Boyer - Won 1964 MVP, 3 other Top-10 finishes, received votes in 8 seasons
        Bando - 3 Top-5 finishes (2nd, 3rd, 4th), no other Top-10 finishes, received votes in 7 seasons

        OPS+:
        Boyer - 116
        Bando - 119

        Best 5 OPS+ Seasons:
        Boyer - 144, 135, 130, 130, 124 (663)
        Bando - 153, 150, 137, 135, 130 (705)

        Gold Gloves:
        Boyer - 5
        Bando - 0

        Career Total Zone Runs Saved Above Average:
        Boyer - 70
        Bando - 35


        There doesn't seem to be much difference between the two of them, in terms of their qualifications. I would still vote Boyer in before I'd vote in Bando, but Boyer is a first-ballot Hall of Famer, not a borderline selection who got in through the VC.

        Obviously Bando is going to struggle to get voted in, as he's a peak candidate who happened to play his peak years in a very low offensive era in a strong pitchers park. Here's the seasonal averages for Bando's 1969-1974 peak years, adjusted to a 4.42 runs/game context (which is roughly the average runs/game for the AL in the 20th century).

        Bando 1969-1974 Neutralized for 4.42 R/G: .292/.409/.490, 27 2B, 27 HR, 103 Runs, 111 RBI, 108 BB. He was also an above average defensive 3B over that time, and was the heart of a team that won 4 pennants and 3 World Series titles.

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        • #34
          As far as Bando goes, he was the captain of that A's team that won 3 WS in a row and bracketed that with two divsion crowns. This team as a whole is one of the underappreciated if not out right forgotten dynasties. In some ways it is odd how and why some players get credit as being winners etc. yet others do not despite pretty similar credentials. Campy and Concepcion do not get bonus points either. Rant over.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
            As far as Bando goes, he was the captain of that A's team that won 3 WS in a row and bracketed that with two divsion crowns. This team as a whole is one of the underappreciated if not out right forgotten dynasties. In some ways it is odd how and why some players get credit as being winners etc. yet others do not despite pretty similar credentials. Campy and Concepcion do not get bonus points either. Rant over.
            That A's team had a lot of guys who flamed out fairly early, and their offensive stars are underrated due to the environment they played in. Even their one deserving Hall of Famer, Reggie, is still underappreciated for how great he was during his Oakland years. Just the fact that he's most remembered as a one-dimensional player, as opposed to the 5 tool player he was during his years in Oakland tells you a lot.

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            • #36
              Agreed especially on Reggie who is wierdly underrated as an A and O and overrated as a Yankee. As for Bando he also gets the double or triple whammy of being the best AL 3B (arguably) between Brett and Brooks Robinson and then Schmidt comes along at the same time. Finally the contemporaries he was probably better than like Nettles, Evans, Bell, et. al. went on the have longer careers and as such put up bigger countign #s.

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              • #37
                1. Sal Bando
                2. Norm Cash
                3. Bill Freehan
                4. Bill Mazeroski
                "I never saw anyone like Ty Cobb. No one even close to him. He was the greatest all time ballplayer. That guy was superhuman, amazing."
                -Casey Stengel

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                • #38
                  Sal Bando
                  Bobby Bonds
                  Clay Carroll
                  Orlando Cepeda
                  Rocky Colavito
                  Bill Freehan
                  Jerry Grote
                  John Hiller
                  Frank Howard
                  Bill Mazeroski
                  Stu Miller
                  Thurman Munson
                  Tony Oliva
                  Roy White
                  Jimmy Wynn
                  RIP Dave Niehaus
                  RIP Gary Moore

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                  • #39
                    This election is closed. We elected the former Detroit Tigers catcher Bill Freehan in his 6th year of eligibility.
                    RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

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