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  • Historically, whom does Vlad Guerrero remind you of?

    Off the top of my head, I say Frank Robinson...
    Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 07-19-2005, 05:49 PM. Reason: change letter to upper case
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules
    Off the top of my head, I say Frank Robinson...
    I agree with Frank Robinson or maybe Jesse Barfield.

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    • #3
      --Vlad has a ways to go before he can be compared to Frank Robinson, but he is better than Barfield ever thought about being. The guy he reminds me of is Roberto Clemente. Same high BA in spite of a hack away approach. Same great arm, although Clemente was more accurate. Vlad does have ALOT more power than Roberto, but I think his style is more like Clemente than the much more patient Robinson.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by leecemark
        --Vlad has a ways to go before he can be compared to Frank Robinson, but he is better than Barfield ever thought about being. The guy he reminds me of is Roberto Clemente. Same high BA in spite of a hack away approach. Same great arm, although Clemente was more accurate. Vlad does have ALOT more power than Roberto, but I think his style is more like Clemente than the much more patient Robinson.

        I was thinking the same thing. Clemente with power. How about a right handed Dave Parker in his prime?

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        • #5
          I think Vlad is a mix of Frank Robinson and Roberto Clemente. He just has a little bit more speed than Robinson.
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          Actually, I think they were about the same because I lettered in all sports, and I was a two-time state decathlon champion.
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          My sophomore year I placed 2nd, and my junior and senior year - I got smart and piled up enough points between myself and second place where I didn't have to run the mile.
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          • #6
            --Not so sure about the speed. Robbie stole over 200 bases with a 72% success rate. Vlad has 138 with a 65% success rate. Coming off a 9 steal (5 CS) season, I'd say Vlad isn't going to catch up, although he did steal a few more in his best SB seasons than Robinson. Robbie also has exactly twice as many career triples and I doubt Vlad will close the gap there either.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by leecemark
              --Not so sure about the speed. Robbie stole over 200 bases with a 72% success rate. Vlad has 138 with a 65% success rate. Coming off a 9 steal (5 CS) season, I'd say Vlad isn't going to catch up, although he did steal a few more in his best SB seasons than Robinson. Robbie also has exactly twice as many career triples and I doubt Vlad will close the gap there either.
              Well... Vlad had injuries throughout his career and now he's not running anymore. Maybe because he doesn't want to get hurt or can't run as fast because of the injuries in the past.
              "Back before I injured my hip, I thought going to the gym was for wimps."
              Bo Jackson

              Actually, I think they were about the same because I lettered in all sports, and I was a two-time state decathlon champion.
              Bo Jackson

              My sophomore year I placed 2nd, and my junior and senior year - I got smart and piled up enough points between myself and second place where I didn't have to run the mile.
              Bo Jackson

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              • #8
                I think Vlad is a mix of Frank Robinson and Roberto Clemente. Offensively, he is very similar to Robinson, and defensively he is similar to Clemente.

                Most similar batters to Vladimir Guerrero through age 28:

                1.Willie Mays (919) *
                2.Duke Snider (909) *
                3.Frank Robinson (887) *
                4. Manny Ramirez (886)
                5. Joe DiMaggio (884) *
                6.Orlando Cepeda (881) *
                7.Hank Aaron (875) *
                8.Hal Trosky (874)
                9.Juan Gonzalez (870)
                10.Al Simmons (846) *

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                • #9
                  Dave Winfield, they have the same wide strike zone, hack at the ball the same and even run the same.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by leecemark
                    --Vlad has a ways to go before he can be compared to Frank Robinson, but he is better than Barfield ever thought about being. The guy he reminds me of is Roberto Clemente. Same high BA in spite of a hack away approach. Same great arm, although Clemente was more accurate. Vlad does have ALOT more power than Roberto, but I think his style is more like Clemente than the much more patient Robinson.
                    Vlad vs Robinson through age 29

                    Robinson .303 BA, .389 OPB, .554 SLG, 324 HR, 1009 RBI, 1043 R, 1673 hits 318 doubles, OPS+ 150
                    Guerrero .324 BA, .389 OBP, .587 SLG, 289 HR, 882 RBI, 815 R, 1512 hits, 282 doubles, OPS+ 147* (through 2004 season)

                    One caveat, through age 29 Robinson had 1502 games to 1236 games for Vlad.

                    Per 162/G:

                    Vlad .324 BA, .587 SLG, 38 HR, 116 RBI, 107 R, 198 hits, 37 doubles 19 SB, OPS+ 147
                    Frank .302 BA, .554 SG, 35 HR, 109 RBI, 113 R, 180 hits, 34 doubles, 17 SB, OPS+ 150

                    Seems Vlad stacks up well with Robinson, at least as a hitter.
                    Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 07-20-2005, 07:26 AM.
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                    • #11
                      Am I the only one in thinking Gary Sheffield is an apt comparison? Sheffield's been more consistent since turning 30 than before, true, but they seem like very similar players to me. Vlad has been a little more consistent in the BA department (though Sheff can hit .320-.330 in his good years, too), Sheff's had a little more plate discipline... but overall, pretty similar players.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ElHalo
                        Am I the only one in thinking Gary Sheffield is an apt comparison? Sheffield's been more consistent since turning 30 than before, true, but they seem like very similar players to me. Vlad has been a little more consistent in the BA department (though Sheff can hit .320-.330 in his good years, too), Sheff's had a little more plate discipline... but overall, pretty similar players.
                        Sheffield is comparable, but I think most people were thinking about the past more than the present.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ElHalo
                          Am I the only one in thinking Gary Sheffield is an apt comparison? Sheffield's been more consistent since turning 30 than before, true, but they seem like very similar players to me. Vlad has been a little more consistent in the BA department (though Sheff can hit .320-.330 in his good years, too), Sheff's had a little more plate discipline... but overall, pretty similar players.
                          Sheffield wasn't as good though age 29. He had a .288/.390/.498 line...
                          Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                          • #14
                            --HWR, the offensive environment has been alot higher in Vlad's 20s than it was in Robinson's. I'd take Robbie easily. I think it would be expecting alot to hope for Vlad to be as good in his 30s as Robinson too.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by leecemark
                              --Vlad has a ways to go before he can be compared to Frank Robinson, but he is better than Barfield ever thought about being. The guy he reminds me of is Roberto Clemente. Same high BA in spite of a hack away approach. Same great arm, although Clemente was more accurate. Vlad does have ALOT more power than Roberto, but I think his style is more like Clemente than the much more patient Robinson.
                              Jesse Barfield was a joke!!!!!!

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