Dick Hyde, where art thou?

[BASEBALL_TRIVIA_NUT]

BASEBALL_TRIVIA_NUT

No, I don't want to know where is he now? I just want to remind
the old school baseball trivia buffs of the baseball animal that
Dick Hyde was, the submarining baseball hurler for the Washington Senators in the late 50's, early 60's.

He won with that style of pitching and so did Ted Abernathy.
Carl Mays and Eldon Auker also were successful submariners in their
day, so there have been a few baseball animals like Dick Hyde in
major league baseball.

Ok, fans, give me a list of submariners who pitched successfully
in major league baseball and then you can go back to sleep!

Have at it!

[JohnnysGhost]

RE: Dick Hyde, where art thou?

The late,great Dan Quisenberry(KC Royals).....The Quiz.....R.I.P.

[yukon jack]

RE: Dick Hyde, where art thou?

Perhaps the first "submariner" was William Pearl "Buck" Rhines (1869-1922) He pitched for the Cincinnati Redlegs from 1890-1897 and with Pittsburgh 1898-1899. He died in Ridgeway, Pa. His obituary states: "Rhines was one of the first men in the national pasttime to use an underarm delivery in pitching. It is claimed by many that he was the first successful major league twirler to toss in this manner. Carl Mays of the New York Yankees uses the same style of delivery."

[yukon jack]

RE: Dick Hyde, where art thou?

Sorry, I forgot some important details: 1890 Rhines pitched 401 innings, gave up 87 earned runs (ERA 1.95)and had a 28-17 record. Does any other submariner have a better record? Lifetime Rhines was 112-107 with a 3.48 ERA in 248 games and 1891 innings pitched. Seems pretty good to me.

[Kroxquo]

RE: Dick Hyde, where art thou?

How about 70's and 80's relievers Gene Garber and the Rubber Band Man - Kent Tekulve. Does he still hold the record for most games pitched in a career?

[shlevine42]

RE: Dick Hyde, where art thou?

Tekulve is the all-time major league leader in RELIEF appearances with 1,050, but he's still 20 games short of Wilhelm's record of 1,070 TOTAL GAMES PITCHED.

[shlevine42]

RE: Dick Hyde, where art thou?

Correction:


TEKULVE still holds the NL record of games pitched (1,050) , but JESSE OROSCO holds the ML record of 1,131.

ECKERSLEY has the AL record (869).

HOYT WILHELM held the ML record of 1,070 games until OROSCO surpassed it.

[Glen Slater]

RE: Dick Hyde, where art thou?

Terry Leach, a highly over-looked player (even by his own Mets managers). In an emergency situation in 1987 (when Gooden was in Smithers Clinic), Leach was put into the starting rotation, and put together a very, very impressive won-loss record for the Mets.

Also, I still remember listening on the radio (WCAU, Philadelphia), to the game in which he one-hit the Phillies over 10 innings in 1982.

[tlhyde]

Dick is my father-in-law

I know this is a REALLY old thread, but, just in case BASEBALL TRIVIA NUT was still somewhat interested I could tell you, even though you said you weren't really asking!

tlhyde

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Among active pitchers, Chad Bradford and BY Kim...

[jschneid]

So where is Dick Hyde?

Hi, TL. I've always been fascinated by submarine pitchers and I read about Dick Hyde in the Great Baseball Card Flipping and Trading Book (or something like that). Hope he's still around and if so, where is he?
Thanks!!

[Brian McKenna]

all the pitchers were submariners prior to 1872 - as higher release points were legalized most pitchers adopted them for belief that not to do so would shorten their careers

the underhand delivery found new life in the 1890s because of the relative rareness of the delivery style not because of any other great factor

some early 20th century submariners:
bill phillips
deacon phillippe
jack warhop
joe mcginnity
carl mays

the style fell out of use except for perhaps eldon auker during the 1930s

the style found a resurgence in the 1970s and beyond mainly by relievers:

ted abernathy
tekulve
quisenberry
mark eichhorn
chad bradford
byung-hyun kim, etc.

[Aqua]

Mike Myers, currently the situational lefty for the Yankees (and for the Red Sox for a couple years before that) is another guy to throw on the list. Weird looking delivery, but he's only allowed one run so far this year, so I guess it works ^_^

[Bill Burgess]

I asked this on the Trivia Forum. Here it was/is.

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=43095

Bill

[jschneid]

Nice research, bk!

Hey, bkmckenna,

Where did you come up with all that great research on submarine pitchers? Really nice work! I have to say though, that Tekulve and Abernathy were sidearmers and labeled submariners, whereas Mays and Auker really came from down under. So did Horacio Pina with the Senators and (I believe) the Cubbies.