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  • #16
    Originally posted by leecemark
    --I think he prefers to be called Dick, but yes. He isn't one of the top 10 players - or even 10 most accomplished hitters of all time - or even close to it. Based on the criteria of this thread I think he qualifies though. Several other players on my list here rank much further down when using my normal criteria (I am not a fan of Rogers Hornsby or Frank Thomas).
    I loved Richie (Dick) Allen, and I would place him among the top 20 hitters of the post-war era. But I wouldn't place him so high on the all-time list.
    Hornsby's offensive numbers are just too overwhelming to ignore.

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    • #17
      Assuming they each faced off-handed pitchers, and played in a symmetrical stadium, who would score more runs: An ALL LEFTY team, or ALL RIGHTY team?

      The obvious answer is lefties, yeah?

      Mays
      Wagner
      Hornsby
      Lajoie
      DiMaggio
      Aaron
      Foxx
      A Rodriguez
      Frank Robinson
      Pujols
      Last edited by Sultan_1895-1948; 09-27-2005, 10:09 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
        Assuming they each faced off-handed pitchers, and played in a symmetrical stadium, who would score more runs: An ALL LEFTY team, or ALL RIGHTY team?

        The obvious answer is lefties, yeah?

        Mays
        Wagner
        Hornsby
        Lajoie
        DiMaggio
        Aaron
        Foxx
        A Rodriguez
        Frank Robinson
        M.Ramirez
        the obvious answer is lefites.
        Ty Cobb
        Tris Speaker
        Ted Williams
        Babe Ruth
        Barry Bonds
        Lou Gehrig
        Stan Musial
        Shoeless Joe
        Eddie Collins

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        • #19
          yeah, you're right. I was tryin' to go against the grain and see what the righties would look like. Hard to overcome the 1-2-3 of Ruth, Gehrig, Williams. The righties might be better on D, but thats not what this is about, so nevermind.

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          • #20
            I wonder how an all-switch hitting lineup would look like.....

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            • #21
              Originally posted by [email protected]
              I wonder how an all-switch hitting lineup would look like.....
              Hmmm off the TOMH,

              Mantle
              Murray
              Chipper
              Berkman
              Rose
              Howard Johnson
              Raines
              Furcal
              Bobby Bonilla

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              • #22
                1.Babe Ruth
                2.Barry Bonds
                3.Ted Williams
                4.Mickey Mantle
                5.Lou Gehrig
                6.Ty Cobb
                7.Frank Thomas
                8.Jimmie Foxx
                9.Hank Aaron
                10.Willie Mays

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                • #23
                  1. Babe Ruth
                  2. Ted Williams
                  3. Ty Cobb
                  4. Honus Wagner
                  4. Joe Jackson
                  5. Barry Bonds
                  7. Tony Gywnn
                  8. Frank Thomas
                  9. Lou Gerhig
                  10. Jimmie Foxx
                  Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                  • #24
                    1. Cobb
                    2. Hornsby
                    3. Jackson
                    4. Ruth
                    5. Williams
                    6. Gehrig
                    7. Bonds
                    8. Wagner
                    9. Josh Gibson
                    10. Mantle

                    Honorable Mentions: Charleston, Lajoie, Sisler, Foxx, Mays, Aaron, Musial, DiMaggio, Keeler, Crawford, Delahanty. This is off the top of my head. I didn't consult any of my various lists.
                    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 09-28-2005, 04:56 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
                      Hmmm off the TOMH,

                      Mantle
                      Murray
                      Chipper
                      Berkman
                      Rose
                      Howard Johnson
                      Raines
                      Furcal
                      Bobby Bonilla
                      I think I'd like Reggie Smith/Bernie Williams and maybe Caminiti over Furcal/HoJo
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                      • #26
                        I don't think today's fans give Ty Cobb enough respect. The Dead Ball Era spawned many ridiculous pitching numbers which we can't fathom today. In my estimation the relative value of Cobb is increased and conversely the value of Mathewson, Alexander, Johnson, Walsh, Brown, Joss, Ruth, Young, Plank and the like are decreased because of the era.

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                        • #27
                          1. Ruth
                          2. Williams
                          3. Gehrig
                          4. Bonds
                          5. Cobb
                          6. Mantle
                          7. Foxx
                          8. Musial
                          9. Jackson
                          10. Hornsby

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                          • #28
                            Just pure DH?

                            Ruth
                            Williams
                            Cobb
                            Hamilton
                            Carew
                            Barnes
                            Lajoie
                            Hornsby
                            Keeler
                            Pujols

                            Leaving Hamilton off this list should be a capital crime.

                            Do I need to defend my choices?
                            "Here's a crazy thought I've always had: if they cut three fingers off each hand, I'd really be a great hitter because then I could level off better." Paul Waner (lifetime .333 hitter, 3,152 lifetime hits.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by bkmckenna
                              I don't think today's fans give Ty Cobb enough respect. The Dead Ball Era spawned many ridiculous pitching numbers which we can't fathom today. In my estimation the relative value of Cobb is increased and conversely the value of Mathewson, Alexander, Johnson, Walsh, Brown, Joss, Ruth, Young, Plank and the like are decreased because of the era.
                              In relation to this thread, I don't think Cobb is getting under-valued. As a natural hitter, Cobb wasn't among the greatest of all time. However, as a specialist, manipulator, strategist, and executionist, he was second to none. His determination, study, and desire are what catapulted him to legendary status, not pure hitting ability. Bill will tell you as much if you need a second opinion.

                              As far as the other players' values going down...its weird that you'd lower Ruth's value because of the era, when he was responsible for the game being the way it was. He was responsible for baseball making the rule changes, once they realized from attendance records that Ruth's style of hitting is something fans craved.

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                              • #30
                                bkmckenna,

                                Have I got a thread for you. Also, check out,

                                "www.baseballguru.com/bburgess"

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