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**Chisox73** · 04-13-2002, 09:15 PM

RE: Every out must have been a line shot!

Let's start with Don Larsen,who posted a career record of 81-91 in 14 seasons in the bigs,including a 3-21 record for the 1954 Baltimore Orioles.

**LouGehrig** · 04-13-2002, 09:23 PM

RE: Every out must have been a line shot!

[updated:LAST EDITED ON Apr-13-02 AT 09:28 PM (EDT)]Kenny Rogers is certainly the top because his was perfect.
Kent Mercker is up there too.
Ken Johnson of Houston.
Dave Morehead of Boston.
Tommy Greene of the Phillies.
Juan Nieves.

**JohnnysGhost** · 04-13-2002, 09:34 PM

RE: Every out must have been a line shot!

Submitted for your approval....Dave Moorehead,(Boston AL)circa 1964-68.Believe he is the last pitcher to hurl a no hitter in Fenway (1965)?Career mark 40-64.

**JohnnysGhost** · 04-13-2002, 09:38 PM

RE: Every out must have been a line shot!

Who/When was the last no-hitter pitched at Wrigley Field?

**Chisox73** · 04-13-2002, 09:55 PM

RE: Every out must have been a line shot!

I bielive the last no-hitter at Wrigley was when Milt Pappas no-hit San Diego in September,1972.(It is also the last time a Cub threw a no-hitter)

Pappas retired the first 26 batters before walking the next batter(Fred Kendall?).Pappas believes to this day that Bruce Froemming squeezed the strike zone on him on that batter before the next batter hit a weak pop-up to 2nd baseman Carmen Fanzone to end it.

**bluezebra** · 04-14-2002, 01:16 AM

RE: Every out must have been a line shot!

>Kenny Rogers is certainly the top because his was perfect.

Larsen's was also perfect. And his was in the World Series.

Bob

>Kent Mercker is up there too.
>Ken Johnson of Houston.
>Dave Morehead of Boston.
>Tommy Greene of the Phillies.
>Juan Nieves.

**Kroxquo** · 04-14-2002, 10:24 AM

RE: Every out must have been a line shot!

How about Len Barker who threw a perfecto in '81 for the Tribe, and ended up under .500 for his career.

**shlevine42** · 04-14-2002, 10:43 AM

RE: Every out must have been a line shot!

Leave us not forget BO BELINSKY (career 28-51) and ED HEAD (27-23 in a short 5-season career).

**researcher** · 04-15-2002, 05:08 AM

RE: Every out must have been a line shot!

[updated:LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-02 AT 05:18 AM (EDT)]If I understand the question: less than 5 yrs + losing record

None listed qualify; Larsen,Rogers,Meaker,Barker,Belinkki,Johnson,
Morehead all pitched longer than 5 yrs.

Nieves and Head both had winning records.

Depending on what the ML was..JOE BORDEN pitched the first no-hitter
on 7/28/1875 beating chicago 4-0...in 2 yrs his record was 11-12

And Bumpas Jones in his first start 1892..careear 2-4 in 2 yrs.

**BASEBALL_TRIVIA_NUT** · 04-15-2002, 01:14 PM

RE: Every out must have been a line shot!

>If I understand the question: less than 5 yrs + losing
>record
>
>None listed qualify;
>Larsen,Rogers,Meaker,Barker,Belinkki,Johnson,
>Morehead all pitched longer than 5 yrs.
>
>Nieves and Head both had winning records.
>
>Depending on what the ML was..JOE BORDEN pitched the first
>no-hitter
>on 7/28/1875 beating chicago 4-0...in 2 yrs his record was
>11-12
>
>And Bumpas Jones in his first start 1892..careear 2-4 in 2
>yrs.

BASEBALL_TRIVIA_NUT

OR is what I posted in the original, so that means a pitcher
qualifies if his career ended within 5 years (I will change that
to 5 years or less in the original after this posting)

OR

a pitcher qualifies if he has a losing career record.

This also means a pitcher just needs to qualify for 1 of the 2
specifications, not both!

So, by that clarification, I believe the hurlers cited in
all the other messages qualify.

As I said, for my original post, I meant to include pitchers
who lasted a full 5 years or less, so I will make that correction
immediately after this post.

Thanks for the inquiry and have a good day.

**JohnnysGhost** · 04-15-2002, 06:24 PM

RE: Every out must have been a line shot!

I think or hope the thrust behind the original question,was who of these sub .500 career pitchers,had that one great day when it all came out right.(If the career was somewhat non-descript 5,6 yrs,nothing that stands out,might have put it together for one big game.Sometimes the questions are outstanding and may re-kindle a thought of a player,or a team,or a time....Sometimes the responses are so exact,that the slightest incorrect concept is pulled apart and stomped on.There are many here on the Almanac,that dont get to every thread because their thought or response is/was proved wrong.So from someone who actually remembers Dave Moorehead tossing a no-no,i say he fits theb bill of the original question.

**BASEBALL_TRIVIA_NUT** · 04-15-2002, 08:22 PM

RE: Every out must have been a line shot!

[updated:LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-02 AT 08:27 PM (EDT)]>I think or hope the thrust behind the original question,was
>who of these sub .500 career pitchers,had that one great day
>when it all came out right

BASEBALL_TRIVIA_NUT

That's it, that the ticket! The 15 minutes of fame
happened for an ordinary Joe! The other concept is
"sometimes it's better to be lucky than good!"

Every major league pitcher on the fringe is one pitch
away from obscurity or immortality!

This thread is about the ordinary Joes who got lucky and
gained immortality from a no-hitter no one would have expected
from them in a million years!

What a bum Holloman was, as he himself would admit (it's
all in Total Baseball, so I kid you not), but there it is,
his name in the Hall of Fame because of " one great day when it
all came out right."

And don't all of us wish we could get our 15 minutes of
fame the same way!!!

That's all, folks!

**JohnnysGhost** · 04-15-2002, 08:36 PM

RE: Every out must have been a line shot!

Thanks Triv.Sometimes i am reluctant to respond,because i am sure someone will "shoot me down",because i was not totally accurate in a reply.I believe this site is not for who knows more,but for those who still care......The Ghost

**jman74** · 04-15-2002, 10:25 PM

RE: Every out must have been a line shot!

I think George Culver (Cincinnati) no-hit the Phillies in the late '60s.

He pitched longer than 5 years, but IMO, that alone doesn't let him off the mediocre hook!

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