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  • #91
    Originally posted by HDH View Post
    1900 Johnny Evers
    Nap Lajoie?

    <1920 Hughie Critz>

    Bucky Harris?

    <1930 Charlie Gehringer>

    Honorable mention to Melillio?

    <1940 Joe Gordon>

    Doerr?

    <1970 Manny Trillo>

    Grich?

    <2000 Orlando Hudson or Aaron Hill>

    Too late of a start for Hill
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    • #92
      Originally posted by The Splendid Splinter View Post
      my great grandpa all defensive team... i found it in his journal. Mind you... my GG lived from 1894 til 2001...

      C- Johnny Bench
      1B- Todd Helton
      2B- Nellie Fox
      SS- Ozzie Smith
      3B- Brooks Robinson
      LF- Bob Meusel
      CF- Johnny Mostil
      RF- Roberto Clemente


      Best Arm in the OF:

      1. Roberto Clemente
      2. Vladimir Guerrero
      3. Bob Meusel
      Nice list. Kinda surprised he'd made Helton all-time defensive 1B after four full seasons
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      • #93
        Originally posted by LightSpeedOO7 View Post
        Who do you think is the best defensive player of all-time?
        Might be Ichiro Suzuki, though he needs to play a few more years before it can be said with certainty.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Seattle1 View Post
          Might be Ichiro Suzuki, though he needs to play a few more years before it can be said with certainty.
          Kinda surprised that, if someone is picking ONE player, they'd go with a guy who's played right field most of his career (of course someone earlier went with Keith Hernandez)
          Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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          • #95
            Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
            Kinda surprised that, if someone is picking ONE player, they'd go with a guy who's played right field most of his career
            What difference does it make what position he plays? Do you mean that only certain positions are eligible for consideration for best defensive player?

            A perfect, perfect, perfect throw by Ichiro!

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Seattle1 View Post
              What difference does it make what position he plays? Do you mean that only certain positions are eligible for consideration for best defensive player?
              I'd think the guy was an outfielder, he'd AT LEAST play the MOST DIFFICULT outfield position for most of his career
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              • #97
                Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
                Nap Lajoie?

                <1920 Hughie Critz>

                Bucky Harris?

                <1930 Charlie Gehringer>

                Honorable mention to Melillio?

                <1940 Joe Gordon>

                Doerr?

                <1970 Manny Trillo>

                Grich?

                <2000 Orlando Hudson or Aaron Hill>

                Too late of a start for Hill

                I can give Ski Melillio an honorable mention. However, the best defensive 2B are listed correctly with one modification. Orlando Hudson gets the honor for 2000; Aaron Hill is the best today .
                In the 1920's, Harry Heilmann led the AL with a .364 average. In addition, he averaged 220 hits, 45 doubles, 12 triples, 16 homers, 110 runs, and 130 RBI.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by HDH View Post
                  I can give Ski Melillio an honorable mention. However, the best defensive 2B are listed correctly with one modification. Orlando Hudson gets the honor for 2000; Aaron Hill is the best today .
                  Whatever. And I thought you were going by decade
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by leecemark View Post
                    P: Greg Maddux
                    C: Johnny Bench
                    1B: Kieth Hernandez
                    2B: Bill Mazeroski
                    3B: Brooks Robinson
                    SS: Ozzie Smith
                    OF: Tris Speaker
                    OF: Willie Mays
                    OF: Mike Cameron
                    ---There are 100 CF better than the best corner OF ever.
                    I'll go with Smith as best ever for the same reason I picked 3 CF and no RF or LF. An average SS has more defensive value than the best 3B who ever lived. If Brooks could have played SS, he would have played SS. For the Ichiro fan - he was not the best defensive OFer on his team until Cameron left this year. I've seen about 85% of his games and he hasn't been anywhere near as good as Cameron. I would like to see him in center now though to see what he could do.
                    Mike Cameron? Best of all time? Interesting.......

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                    • Originally posted by Lucifer View Post
                      Mike Cameron? Best of all time? Interesting.......
                      We'll wait til he gets, oh, more than ten full seasons
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                      • Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
                        We'll wait til he gets, oh, more than ten full seasons
                        Doesn't matter if he does play 10 full seasons or not... look at my GG list, Helton made it after only 4 years. My GG thought very highly of Mostil who he thinks is the best defensive CFer ever. Better than Blair, Speaker, Ashburn, Mays..... And Mostil only had 7 full seasons.
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                        • Originally posted by The Splendid Splinter View Post
                          Doesn't matter if he does play 10 full seasons or not... look at my GG list, Helton made it after only 4 years. My GG thought very highly of Mostil who he thinks is the best defensive CFer ever. Better than Blair, Speaker, Ashburn, Mays..... And Mostil only had 7 full seasons.
                          Well, that's one person's opinion
                          Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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