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  • Was Reggie Jackson ever the "total package"?

    I got in a discussion on this on another thread, and I think it is quite clear than in his Oakland years, Reggie could be classified as a five tooler, or the "total package". This may seem surprising to many of you, because Reggie has the image of a "strikeout 150 times and bat .230" type player. Well, really Reggie's BA numbers were greatly diluted when he did become the "strikeout 150 times and bat .230" type player. In his younger years, he was truly a complete player. I will start by giving you Reggie's relative BAs in some of his good Oakland years (the years I'm claiming he was the total package):

    1969-110
    1971-109
    1972-110
    1973-115
    1974-115

    So, as you can clearly see, Reggie was in fact a very decent contact hitter at one point. 15% above league average is very, very solid, but not spectacular. Certainly enough to consider him a good contact hitter.

    I don't think anyone's going to debate that Reggie was always a very good power hitter, so I'll talk about the other three tools-running, fielding, and throwing arm.

    Running-Reggie also seems to today have an image of a slow player, and that is again because of his decline years. The prime Reggie was very fast. He stole 20 bases almost regularly and was considered a good baserunner. If you don't believe the stats, then I point you to the fact Reggie was recruited heavily as a running back at Arizona State before he got into baseball. Can you imagine ASU recruiting a slow running halfback? It's not likely.

    Fielding-Reggie did have good range in his younger years, which is evidenced by his range factors. He was always significantly above league average for an OFer, which is even more impressive because he played the corners, which obviously have lower RFs. He did have a high error rate, but I don't think that makes much of a difference here. How important is it, really? It's only about 3 plays a year that can change a bad error rate to a good one. Really, error rates aren't great to rate OFers. It's only based on like 2 or 3 plays a year.

    Throwing Arm-This is one where you won't find much debate on either. Reggie snapped hard throws to the infield consistently in his day, and his assist totals show that. When he was younger, he had four years of double digit assists. He was second in the AL is assists in 1968, fourth in 1969. There isn't much question the young Reggie had a very good arm.

    So, all things considered it is fairly clear to me the young Reggie was certainly the "total package". But, for some reason his image doesn't portray that. What do you think, was Reggie ever the "total package", or not?
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  • #2
    Reggie's fielding numbers weren't that great, even in his Oakland days. He was certainly quite an offensive player though...
    "The numbers are what brought me here; as it appears they brought you."
    - Danielle Rousseau

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    • #3
      He was a 5 tool player with Oakland. He was a center fielder and could run all over the Coliseum in his Oakland days

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      • #4
        Ha ha ha ha. Good Grief. I think I may be ill. But have your fun. Reggie sure did.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mac195
          Reggie's fielding numbers weren't that great, even in his Oakland days...
          That would explain why he led the league in assists twice, DP three times, putouts FIVE times . . .
          Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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          • #6
            Reggie was a very astute baserunner( ask the Dodgers) who lost a step with his broken leg. reggie had as good an arm as any rightfielder and he was a winner. He was cleanup hitter for most of the top teams throughout the 70's

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            • #7
              Total Package???? He couldn't bunt to save his life.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by mac195
                Reggie's fielding numbers weren't that great, even in his Oakland days. He was certainly quite an offensive player though...
                His fielding percentages weren't great, but as RMB showed, and as I showed in my original post, Reggie's putout and assists totals were legitiamately outstanding.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MyDogSparty
                  Total Package???? He couldn't bunt to save his life.
                  If you had Reggie Jackson on your team, would you ever want him to bunt?

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                  • #10
                    i grew up watching reggie play - he definitely stood out - even making a show out of striking out -- but boy i would hate to be the manager in the dugout constantly watching him strikeout - he did provide a payoff though - especially on the biggest stages in midsummer and postseason

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                    • #11
                      I can't answer this, you'd probably have to ask his wife.
                      I'm a Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech and a Hell of an Engineer!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 538280
                        If you had Reggie Jackson on your team, would you ever want him to bunt?
                        I wouldn't have him on my team in the first place. I'm sure as a "Reggie fan" such as yourself, you're aware that bunting was a point of contention between manager Billy Martin and the "Hot Dog", Reggie Jackson. Hence, that's why I brought it up.
                        Last edited by MyDogSparty; 11-04-2005, 12:48 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MyDogSparty
                          I wouldn't have him on my team in the first place. I'm sure as a "Reggie fan" such as yourself, you're aware that bunting was a point of contention between manager Billy Martin and the "Hot Dog", Reggie Jackson. Hence, that's why I brought it up.
                          If our teams get to the World Series, I'll take him off your hands
                          Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RuthMayBond
                            If our teams get to the World Series, I'll take him off your hands
                            Provided they make it through the LCS, which they'll have to do first without much help from Reggie (.227/.298/.380).

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by csh19792001
                              Provided they make it through the LCS, which they'll have to do first without much help from Reggie (.227/.298/.380).
                              You probably don't want Ted Williams or Ty Cobb either
                              Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
                              Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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