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  • #31
    Ruth
    J. Robinson
    Rickey
    Cobb

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    • #32
      If a pioneer is needed, ala the two Founding Fathers on Mount Rushmore, Harry Wright, Cap Anson and Alexander Cartwright could fight it out. I think Cartwright would be more akin to Ben Franklin than a President.
      Ty Cobb
      Babe Ruth
      Jackie Robinson
      Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
      Joe Gary MCA Emanuel Sonny Dave Earl Stan
      Jonathan Neil Roger Anthony Ray Thomas Art Don
      Gates Philip John Warrior Rik Casey Tony Horace
      Robin Bill Ernie JEDI

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      • #33
        I'll go for the two headed masks:

        Ty Cobb/Babe Ruth
        Jackie Robinson/Cap Anson
        Branch Rickey/Rube Foster
        Marvin Miller/ESPN Logo

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
          nice pic !! I'm working on the Landis one. I need 3 more villains though.
          I certainly agree.

          3 Villians, how about, George Steinbrenner, Rafael Palmeiro/Barry Bonds, and Joe Jackson/Pete Rose/Rothstein?
          Johnson and now Goligoski gone.
          I hope that's all.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Chisox
            I certainly agree.

            3 Villians, how about, George Steinbrenner, Rafael Palmeiro/Barry Bonds, and Joe Jackson/Pete Rose/Rothstein?
            I'd sooner put Comiskey on the mountain than have Shoeless anywhere near it. Steinbrenner only takes advantages of the system, although I don't really care for the guy. Palmeiro is just as much a tool as Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Canseco, he doesn't stand out too much (although seeing his porn-stache high atop would be sweet). Rose...aahh, nah. Bonds might belong up there once he breaks Aaron's record, that would seal the deal for his deservidness.

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            • #36
              Although Cartwright is more likely the "father of baseball" than anyone else, I think all 4 guys should have recognizable faces - thus, they should all be players. I also think it's only fair to have at least one pitcher. That being said, the 4 should be:

              Ruth
              Cobb
              Jackie Robinson
              Walter Johnson

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              • #37
                fair enough, wee willie. and, good call.
                here are your four players.
                hmm... maybe it's the caps, but it does make for a decent-looking hillside.
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                "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                • #38
                  That's pretty awesome WCOB. Aren't you a sculptor of sorts? Maybe you could find a mountain and get to work on the real thing. All the BBF posters could come out and visit, it would be awesome!
                  I'm a Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech and a Hell of an Engineer!

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                  • #39
                    Can't work on the mt. until we agree on all four. Can't see Walter just because there should be a pitcher. What about a catcher that developed the mask and shin guards?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by sschirmer
                      That's pretty awesome WCOB. Aren't you a sculptor of sorts? Maybe you could find a mountain and get to work on the real thing. All the BBF posters could come out and visit, it would be awesome!
                      thanx, man.
                      i wanted the babe's head to be tilted upwards, as is jefferson's. and i flipped the cobb image that i found so that he would face the "right" way.
                      i chisel marble for fun. it's a lotta work, but always more fun than work.
                      Last edited by west coast orange and black; 10-03-2005, 09:14 AM.
                      "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                      • #41
                        THik you can get the US Parks Commission to let you go to work on Half Dome?
                        I'm a Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech and a Hell of an Engineer!

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                        • #42
                          i think that the dome is gorgeous just the way it is.
                          "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                          • #43
                            no Jackie o' the Mountain

                            I must beg to differ on all of these wonderful posts (and I do mean wonderful, I am enlightened by almost all of BF's posters on a daily basis, it renews my fascination for The Game). Jackie Robinson does not deserve a bust for being the first black guy to integrate. Yeah, he was really good, but luck in circumstance is kind of like winning the lottery, right place right time and all that. Force of character, full marks. But pantheonic status for being black and happening to be the first? Not. Put Satchel up there, then we're talking representative. Jackie doesn't even make the top 100 players if you exclude skin colour. Now, do you want to judge him as a ballplayer or as the first major league black ballplayer? Your call. To me, the latter is rather patronizing and racist in the extreme. If you want to include radical game changers, you could also put Candy Curveball Cummings, Ron 1st DH Blomberg and the bloody Astrodome up there.

                            Hard to argue with the Ruth/Cobb/Johnson/Wagner idolatry, and it might also be interesting to include iconic generational representatives:

                            Anson/Ruth/Mantle/Frank Robinson
                            Cobb/Williams or Mays or Musial/Schmidt/A-Rod
                            Grove/Dimaggio/Koufax or Gibson/Stew or Bonds

                            From mine own idisyncratic perspective, if I were to picture baseball in four faces, they would be Ruth, Paige, Cobb, and the Dave Stewart stare-in.

                            For founding father-type monumentalism, hard to go farther than that which has been posted, Ruth/Cobb/Wagner/Johnson.

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                            • #44
                              Sorry, but I completely disagree with what you said about Jackie. Jackie's accomplishments and place in baseball history are much more a result of his courage and inner strength than "luck in circumstance". Comparing the frequent hell of his experience to "winning the lottery" is invalid and trivializes the monumental responsibility he bore. And to say that paying such a tribute to Jackie smacks of racism is flat-out insulting. I put him on the mountain not because he was the "first black", but because he succeeded while knowing that his life and career were at risk day in and day out. He was the target of more hatred than any player before or since. The success of integration in baseball and other sports was dependent on how Jackie would respond to the slings and arrows of bigotry. He fought off the rage to retaltiate 1000 times for every time he lashed out. This ate at him tremendously and probably led to his early death. And there were the eyes of African-Americans constantly watching every move, and praying he didn't fail, since his success would be a frame of reference for building a more tolerant baseball community, which could lead to eventually a more tolerant country.

                              So no, it's not just about giving an "atta-boy" to someone who was in the right place at the right time. It's rewarding the person most responsible for engendering the most profound change in the cultural dynamic of the game.

                              And by the way, Robinson judged strictly as a player, is most certainly a top-100 player just by his on-the-field accomplishments. Just by being one of the top 6 or so second-baseman is enough to get you on that list. There have been other black players who were better, so if you went by just ability alone, I'd have someone like Aaron, Mays, Paige, or Gibson over Jackie.

                              But my main point is that Jackie's acheivements in his dealings with his enemies are what makes him an important figure in baseball and American history.

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                              • #45
                                At this late date, nearly sixty years after Jackie's debut, I didn't think it would still be necessary to explain the significance of his accomplishment in changing the face of baseball -- and America.

                                Maybe to a visitor from another planet...but to a baseball fan... a student of the game? Astounding.

                                But apparently it is necessary.

                                Nice job, Willie. Thanks.

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