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  • Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
    It's possible he lacked the natural instincts needed to get proper reads. Could be, he couldn't track flight speed, distance, and predicted path of balls batted in the air.

    Perhaps he just didn't feel comfortable out there and squashed the notion if a coach ever brought it up.

    Maybe his disposition was more suited toward the infield where more action takes place.

    The throwing motion of an infielder and especially catcher is much different from an outfielders, where dropping the ball below the belt, creating a longer sweeping throw with a true 4-seam flight is necessary. It's likely that style didn't suit his strength and he was more comfortable doing what he'd done all his life.

    I've wondered the same thing Adam. From the outside looking in, it seems he had all the tools, but the answer might just simply be, he didn't want to.
    All good observations, Randy. I wonder if Foxx played some outfield as an amateur ballplayer?
    Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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    • Originally posted by HitchedtoaSpark View Post
      Mack didn't want him to be. The A's at the time Foxx came up already had a rock solid outfield of Simmons, Haas and Miller.
      Thanks Hitched. He was one hell of an athlete. Do you know if they ever tried him out there, or if anyone did prior?

      Btw...which Foxx book is better....Pride of Sudlersville or Life and Times?
      "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

      ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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      • Jimmy easily top 25 say or so. Wonderful player who did a lot very well, sad private life later on. You wonder how he would have done sober.

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        • Don't forget Foxx's time as a pitcher

          Maybe you haven't, but I'm not going to read this whole thread just for that.

          But I did just learn that Foxx pitched 23.2 innings in his career, with a 1.52 ERA.

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          • Don't forget Foxx's time as a pitcher

            Maybe you haven't, but I'm not going to read this whole thread just for that.

            But I did just learn that Foxx pitched 23.2 innings in his career, with a 1.52 ERA.

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            • My grandmother's brother played high school baseball with Jimmie Foxx in fact when he was alive he showed me photos of him and Jimmie when they were in high school.

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              • Great thread on one of my favorites of all time. I myself think he is underrated in comparison to people like Gehrig, Aaron, Musial, and others. I feel the same about Clemente too. Why? Because guys like Clemente and Foxx were superior athletes. They might not have the statistics everyone likes, but when evaluating a player I like to consider the athletic ability he was blessed with and how it stacks up against his peers. Numbers only show so much. For his day, Jimmie Foxx was a supreme athlete. Was Gehrig faster than Foxx? Did he have more raw power? No. Gehrig might have won more but there is a certain hype that also comes with playing in markets like NY.

                I like to go by who had more tools, which is hard to do with players who died before I was even born. Not to disregard stats. They have their place as well but even average players can have impressive statistical years here and there.

                I actually heard Jimmie Foxx was discovered when a scout was passing through his town on his way to see another prospect. Jimmie pointed the scout in the direction of the next town using a plow, lifting it up with one arm as if it were a baseball bat. At age 16.

                I just really respect these guys like Mantle and Foxx who built themselves into incredibly strong men by hard manual labor. No steroids, not even trained hitters. Just incredible physical specimines who were born to be average sized men but built themselves into superheroes through hard work. No coincidence that they were perhaps #2 and #3 on the all time list of great distance hitters. Going off what I heard Babe Ruth is number one. But from the stories I heard about Foxx it appears he hit the ball just as hard just as consistently.

                A poster earlier commented Jimmie cleared the left field roof at Shibe 18 times, I heard it was 24-28 times. Several of them landed on Sommerset. Then there was the Yankee Stadium upper decker line drive that supposedly would have gone 530 feet had the shattered seat not blocked the ball's flight. They say had he hit the ball more towards left center it would have left the stadium. This sounds more believable than the romantic tales of Josh Gibson.

                He was the king of Comiskey Park roof shots too, I heard one cleared the entire back side of the roof. Of course this was when the roof was further from the plate than the more modernized version of Comiskey when Kittle and Luzinski hit their roof shots.

                Going off of his raw athletic ability, skill set and the numbers he had, most of which were accumulated before age 32, I have to put Foxx in my top 5. I also respect the guys with lesser talent who work extremely hard to become stars with a more average skill set. But if I was picking a team, I would pick the guys that strike fear into their opponents, have a good set of career stats, and have the most athletic ability. No disrespect to Gehrig, but if it was Foxx who played in NY with all the media hype, and Gehrig playing his prime years in Philadelphia, I do not believe Gehrig would be as remembered as Foxx. That is how legendary Foxx is.

                I never was the type to sort through all these stats and it seems as if they invent new ones every day. But a lot of statistics are based upon opportunity and aren't the best way to measure who was truly the best baseball player. All I know is I am far more impressed with the guys of yesteryear who hit 30-50 homers a season in ballparks where center field was 450 feet away with 400 plus foot power alleys and swinging those 40 ounce clubs than I am impressed with modern juiced up strikeout kings hitting 380 foot steroid aided pop flys that wouldn't have even made the warning track at many older ballparks like Yankee Stadium or Forbes Field. Yes Jimmie Foxx played at Fenway. But the monster, while being able to turn pop ups into 330 foot home runs, can also turn what would have been a 400 foot line drive home run into a single or double.

                I enjoy some of the modern guys too. They do have a lot more 101 mph fastballs to contend with today but MLB has always been played on a high level and there have always been great pitchers throughout history.
                Last edited by John239; 02-17-2017, 08:12 AM.

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                • Sounds like you'd really enjoy Bill Jenkinson's book Baseball's Ultimate Power. You can buy the e-book for about ten bucks. An incredible in depth look at many historical sluggers. Double X is indeed on the short list, although he, along with everyone in history falls short of Ruth. That is an irrefutable fact but is no slight on anyone.
                  "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

                  ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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                  • Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
                    Sounds like you'd really enjoy Bill Jenkinson's book Baseball's Ultimate Power. You can buy the e-book for about ten bucks. An incredible in depth look at many historical sluggers. Double X is indeed on the short list, although he, along with everyone in history falls short of Ruth. That is an irrefutable fact but is no slight on anyone.
                    How many versions of Jenkinson's book are there? I skimmed it maybe three years ago from a friend and now plan on buying it, but don't want to get the first version if it has been updated recently.
                    I'm getting a 2011 Royals vibe from the White Sox.

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                    • Originally posted by Toledo Inquisition View Post
                      How many versions of Jenkinson's book are there? I skimmed it maybe three years ago from a friend and now plan on buying it, but don't want to get the first version if it has been updated recently.
                      Just one edition far as I know. It's not too old and no reason to update unless adding modern guys.

                      I know this is a Foxx thread, but on a side note he recently finished a side project favor, finding all Ruth's PA against both Grove and Walter. Think he's missing just one PA off Walter. I'll post on the BR thread asap
                      "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

                      ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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                      • I've been reading about baseball history for almost 40 years and today I just found out that Foxx choked to death on a piece of meat?

                        The Tuscaloosa News, July 23, 1967 pg 15

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                        Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                        • I believe Foxx`s 2nd wife also died the same way?!Foxx was eating at his brother`s house when this happened.He might have been living with his daughter,Nanci Canady at the time.
                          Last edited by Nimrod; 05-12-2017, 11:22 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                            I've been reading about baseball history for almost 40 years and today I just found out that Foxx choked to death on a piece of meat?

                            The Tuscaloosa News, July 23, 1967 pg 15

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                            Dang I didn't know this either.

                            Do we have a "Little Known Facts" thread? This would definitely belong.
                            "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

                            ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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                            • I assumed he died of alcohol related causes.

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                              • There's a ghoulish site called The Dead Ball Era that specializes in stories about baseball players' deaths, obituaries, etc., this guy's actually gone to the trouble of acquiring players' death certificates. They have Foxx's death certificate that shows he choked to death, cause of death "asphyxia" from "impaction of bolus of meat in pharynx."

                                I called it ghoulish, but actually there's a lot of history on it and it's kind of off-beat but respectful. I plead guilty to having visited it, including to get these gory details ...

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