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  • Ubiquitous
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    Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post
    Most hall of fame shortstops have a career OPS+ that's not as good as Zoilo's was in 1965.


    Luke Appling had 7 full seasons over 115.
    Cal Ripken had 6 full seasons over 115 with another season at 115.
    Joe Sewell had 3 season over 115.
    Bobby Wallace had 6 seasons
    Travis Jackson had 3 seasons
    Dave Bancroft had 3 seasons
    Joe Tinker had 2 seasons
    Phil Rizzuto had 1 season


    But your statement begs the question. A Hall of Fame plaque does not necessarily mean a player is great.

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  • abolishthedh
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    This isn't a perfect example, because Ron Bryant had a better 1972 season than I had realized, but his 1973 season always stood out to this fan. Afterwards, he had a horrid 1974 and then fell off the Giants' roster and was out of the game by mid-1975.

    Bryant was 24-12, 3.53 ERA, 270 IP, 8 CGs, and finished 3rd in the Cy Young voting in 1973. Only 1972 provided any clue, with 11 CGs and 14-7 W/L, but his other seasons were awful. Career, 57-56, 4.02, 917 IP, 23 CGs and no statistical measure which would hint at what he did in this year and a half. Again, it is not a perfect example because this occurred over a year and a half.

    Because he was pitching on the West Coast, I suppose I never had the details of his demise. Injuries must have been the problem, but I have no idea how.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...ryanro01.shtml

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  • Dude Paskert
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    How about Kevin Maas 1990?

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  • SavoyBG
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    Originally posted by Ubiquitous View Post
    It's pretty good for a typical SS but obviously not even close to being good enough for a great SS.
    Most hall of fame shortstops have a career OPS+ that's not as good as Zoilo's was in 1965.

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  • Ubiquitous
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    It's pretty good for a typical SS but obviously not even close to being good enough for a great SS.

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  • Joltin' Joe
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    Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
    I agree that Versalles had a stellar year in '65, but isn't a 116 OPS+ pretty good for a SS? I am no expert on that stat, but I thought it was pretty good for a SS (non-PED slugger, anyway) to have an OPS+ like that. I might be wrong.
    I agree, especially back in that era.

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  • Herr28
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    Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
    thanks Roy for pointing about the weakness of OPS+ Zoilo had a huge season in 65 and deserved the MVP.
    I agree that Versalles had a stellar year in '65, but isn't a 116 OPS+ pretty good for a SS? I am no expert on that stat, but I thought it was pretty good for a SS (non-PED slugger, anyway) to have an OPS+ like that. I might be wrong.

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  • JR Hart
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    Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
    Zoilo Versalles in 1965 - His OPS+ that year was only 116, so he wasn't really amazing, but he won the MVP and his career totals are rather...bad.

    1965 Zoilo Versalles
    American League MVP. Gold Glove SS.
    Led Position Players in WAR, Offensive WAR, and Defensive WAR!
    Led league in runs (126), Total bases (308), Doubles (45), 3B (12), Extra Base Hits (76) and Power-Speed Number. Hit 19 HR from leadoff position. Second in Hits, Sac Flies, SB%. Third in SB (27) and runs created. Grounded into just 7 DP in 728 PA and 666 AB. Participated in 105 defensive double plays.

    he actually had a pretty good run from 1961-65
    thanks Roy for pointing about the weakness of OPS+ Zoilo had a huge season in 65 and deserved the MVP.

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  • JR Hart
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    79 Dave Kingman for once he was really good

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  • Death to Crawling Things
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    Jose Lima- I remember he had that great season with the Astros, and spent most of the rest of his career being not bad, but horrible.

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  • Death to Crawling Things
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    Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
    .330 19 HR at home
    .245 11 HR on the road

    typical Fenway Park inflation

    Why is this surprising?
    You caused that season to shock me again. He actually hit 11 on the road?

    I think his previous high for a season was 11 for the whole season (albeit his only real previous season as a regular)

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  • filihok
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    Also Derick Turnbow 2005

    7-1, 1.74 ERA, 39 saves in 67 innings.

    Rest of his career:
    10-15, 5.20 ERA, 26 saves in 190 innings

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  • filihok
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    Esteban Loaiza 2003.

    20 - 9 2.90 ERA 226 IP, led the league with 207 K's

    159 ERA+. Did not have another full season ERA+ above 111
    Only had one other season with more than 150 K's

    7 of 31 career fWAR cam in 2003.

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Richard Hidalgo or Preston Wilson.

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  • Ben Grimm
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    Not sure it's on the same level, but I remember Kevin Stocker coming up for the Phillies in '93. He posted a .324 AVG and an OPS+ of 125.

    The rest of his short career, he was a .246 hitter with an OPS+ of 75

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