Rank the 250 -299 game winners!?!?

[Bothrops Atrox]

The 300 game winners poll was very interesting, so why not rank the 22 pitchers who won 250 - 299 games?

1. Randy Johnson
2. Bob Gibson
3. Carl Hubbell
4. Bob Feller
5. Jim Palmer
6. Robin Roberts
7. Fergie Jenkins
8. Tom Glavine
9. Bert Blyleven
10.Ted Lyons
11.Tony Mullane
12.Red Ruffing
13.Tommy John
14. Jim Kaat
15. Red Faber
16. Al Spalding
17. Jack Morris
18. Burleigh Grimes
19. Eppa Rixey
20. Jim McCormick
21. Bobby Mathews
22. Gus Weyhing

[yest]

1. Bob Feller
2. Jim Palmer
3. Carl Hubbell
4. Bob Gibson
5. Fergie Jenkins
6. Robin Roberts
7. Randy Johnson
8. Tom Glavine
9. Al Spalding
10. Bert Blyleven
11. Burleigh Grimes
12.Red Ruffing
13. Jack Morris
14. Jim Kaat
15.Tommy John
16. Bobby Mathews
17.Tony Mullane
18. Jim McCormick
19. Red Faber
20.Ted Lyons
21. Gus Weyhing
22. Eppa Rixey

[Bench 5]

1. Bob Feller
2. Bob Gibson
3. Randy Johnson
4. Jim Palmer
5. Carl Hubbell
6. Ted Lyons
7. Fergie Jenkins
8. Robin Roberts
9. Tom Glavine
10. Jim Kaat
11. Eppa Rixey
12. Al Spalding
13. Bert Blyleven
14. Red Ruffing
15. Jack Morris
16. Tommy John
17. Bobby Mathews
18. Tony Mullane
19. Jim McCormick
20. Red Faber
21. Burleigh Grimes
22. Gus Weyhing

[Brian McKenna]

noptice that a lot of hall of famers fall below bert blyleven on these lists

and kaat and john for that matter

[johnny]

the list

Isn't Rapid Robert the only one on that list who was 'hurt' by wartime service? Of course, as Rapid Robert points out when asked about how many wins he might have gotten. I am paraphrasing a bit/relying upon memory from the radio interview but you'll get the gist:

...there was a war on. and we weren't sure who would win it there for awhile. so baseball wasn't a real priority with me at the time.

in many ways, his career is the most remarkable of all to include the over 300 win club.

[RuthMayBond]

I'll go with

1. Randy Johnson
2. Carl Hubbell
3. Bob Gibson
4. Bert Blyleven
5. Jim Palmer
6. Al Spalding (gotta make sure this doesn't include shortstop credit
7.Ted Lyons
8. Jim McCormick
9. Bob Feller (not giving him enough war credit)
10.Tony Mullane
11. Tom Glavine
12. Red Faber
13. Robin Roberts
14. Fergie Jenkins
15. Eppa Rixey
16.Tommy John
17.Red Ruffing
18. whoops, lost one
19. Jack Morris

Bobby Mathews, Jim Kaat, Gus Weyhing aren't on my radar, gotta check them out

[Bothrops Atrox]

I'll go with

1. Randy Johnson
2. Carl Hubbell
3. Bob Gibson
4. Bert Blyleven
5. Jim Palmer
6. Al Spalding (gotta make sure this doesn't include shortstop credit
7.Ted Lyons
8. Jim McCormick
9. Bob Feller (not giving him enough war credit)
10.Tony Mullane
11. Tom Glavine
12. Red Faber
13. Robin Roberts
14. Fergie Jenkins
15. Eppa Rixey
16.Tommy John
17.Red Ruffing
18. whoops, lost one
19. Jack Morris

Bobby Mathews, Jim Kaat, Gus Weyhing aren't on my radar, gotta check them out

Lyons and McCromick over Feller? Faber over Roberts and Jenkins? Pretty bold post! What stats are you weighing so heavily? Feller's low position would indicate you don't like his relatively low WHIP ? I would love to hear some rational.

[leecemark]

1) Feller
2) Johnson
3) Gibson
4) Roberts
5) Hubbell
6) Palmer
7) Jenkins
8) Glavine
9) Blyleven
10) Lyons
11) Morris
12) Rixey
13) Faber
14) Mullane
15) Grimes
16) Ruffing
17) Kaat
18) John
--The other 4 are very hard to rank since what they were doing had little in common with modern pitching. Spaulding was surely one of the most dominating players ever, but how to rank him against modern pitchers is beyond me.

[cjedmonton]

I wish I had the time/inkling to put the greatest righties through my ranking formula. However, here's how I rank the 6 lefties with 250-99 wins:


#1 Randy Johnson 1,833.441
#2 Carl Hubbell 1,353.482
#3 Eppa Rixey 630.769
#4 Tom Glavine 629.318
#5 Tommy John 612.238
#6 Jim Kaat 604.634



NOTE: You'll notice that Glavine is less than 2 marks behind Rixey at the moment. Barring a horrible collapse, Glavine will surpass him come this fall with very little effort.

[RuthMayBond]

Lyons and McCromick over Feller?

Let me state that I go more over career than peak, I have NO ONE between Lyons/McCormick and Feller, and I ALREADY said that is without war credit for Feller. Feller's ERA+ is only 122 and he had at least 450 IP less than either of those two.

<Faber over Roberts and Jenkins? Pretty bold post!>

Actually, it's a BRAIN CRAMP that I'm fixing as we speak, thanks for straightening me out, I look stupid enough as it is

[Appling]

Isn't Rapid Robert the only one on that list who was 'hurt' by wartime service? ... in many ways, his career is the most remarkable of all to include the over 300 win club.

Not the only one "hurt" by the war, but perhaps the one whose career totals were most impacted.

Feller joined the Navy at the very begining of the war -- he didn't play one inning in 1942, and only a few innings when he returned at the end of 1945.

Rapid Robert was 23 years old when he went to war, and 27 when he returned for a full season in 1946. He was certainly at his prime then; he won 24 games in 1939, 27 in 1940, 25 in 1941, 26 in 1946 and 20 in 1947. If not for WWII he surely would have won 80, probably 100 or more games in those four missing years (1942-43-44-45). As it is, he is only 34 wins short of that magic 300 career total.

At age 22 Feller had 107 career wins -- more than any 20th Century pitcher at that age. Then he went to war!
Most career wins by age 22 (1901 or later):
1. Bob Feller 107
2. Joe Wood 81
3. Dwight Gooden 73
4. Babe Ruth 67
5. Bert Blyleven 63
Then Feller had perhaps his best season when returned at age 27: 26 wins and 348 strikeouts.

By age 22 Bob Feller had 1233 career strikeouts -- far more than any other 20th Century pitcher thru that age.
(D Gooden is second with 892, Bert Blyleven third with 845) Then Feller had his best strikeout season (348) when he returned at age 27.

[johnny]

thank you

The more we learn about Robert Feller the more amazed we get.

[Bothrops Atrox]

Here are the top 10 right now. 22 points for first place, 21 for second, etc.

1. Johnson (101 points)
2. Gibson (101 points)
3. Hubbell (101 points)
4. Feller (100 points)
5. Palmer (93 points)
6. Roberts (78 points)
7. Jenkins (75 points)
8. Glavine (71 points)
9. Blyleven (70 points)
10.Llyons (62 points)