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  • #16
    all time Cardinals

    1B-Pujols, 2005
    2B-Hornsby, 1922
    3B-Torre, 1971
    SS-Smith, 1987
    LF-Medwick, 1937
    CF-McGee, 1985
    RF-Musial, 1948
    C-Simmons, 1975

    SP-Gibson, 1968
    SP-Dean, 1934
    SP-Cooper, 1942
    SP-Tudor, 1985
    SP-carpenter, 2005
    RP-Sutter, 1984
    RP-McDaniel-1960

    With the exception of the bullpen, the only players who didn't win an MVP or Cy young were Ozzie [finshed 2nd] Simmons and Tudor [finished 2nd, CYA]
    There wasn't an MVP award in 22, when Hornsby won the Triple Crown. Medwick also won a TC, Musial came within 1 HR of winning a TC and leading the NL in virtually EVERY offensive category.

    I'm biased, but I can't think of any franchise, with the possible exception of the Yankees who can top this team.
    It Might Be? It Could Be?? It Is!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by yanks0714
      Personal foul called on poster for using Foxx and Grove as Red Sox.

      If we were creating teams they would be on the A's all-time team.

      Fisk actually played more games for the ChiSox.
      Best year by a player for a team, not best year by a teams best player at that position.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by baseballPAP
        The A's.......
        C-Cochrane 1933
        1B-Foxx 1933
        2B-Collins 1911 or Lajoie 1901 depends on your value of league strength
        3B-Baker 1913
        SS-Joost 1949
        LF-Simmons 1930(Henderson 1990 if you want app. per player)
        CF-Simmons 1927
        RF-Jackson 1969
        DH-Henderson 1990(if not used above) or John Jaha 1999 (actual DH)

        SP-Grove 1931
        SP-Blue 1971
        SP-Waddell 1902
        SP-Shantz 1952
        SP-Zito 2002
        RP-Eckersley 1990
        RP-Fingers 1973

        How's that? The most surprising to me, being a non A's guy was that Tejada didn't fare better. I used Lee Sinis' Saber Encyclopedia and his great RCAA, RCAP and RSAA stats for most of the work.

        no sp catfish hunter?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by baseballPAP
          The A's.......
          C-Cochrane 1933
          1B-Foxx 1933
          2B-Collins 1911 or Lajoie 1901 depends on your value of league strength
          3B-Baker 1913
          SS-Joost 1949
          LF-Simmons 1930(Henderson 1990 if you want app. per player)
          CF-Simmons 1927
          RF-Jackson 1969
          DH-Henderson 1990(if not used above) or John Jaha 1999 (actual DH)

          SP-Grove 1931
          SP-Blue 1971
          SP-Waddell 1902
          SP-Shantz 1952
          SP-Zito 2002
          RP-Eckersley 1990
          RP-Fingers 1973

          How's that? The most surprising to me, being a non A's guy was that Tejada didn't fare better. I used Lee Sinis' Saber Encyclopedia and his great RCAA, RCAP and RSAA stats for most of the work.
          Nice dude, thanks. How bout that all lefty rotation

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          • #20
            [QUOTE=Ubiquitous]For the Chicago Cubs


            Roger Hornsby 2B(1990)


            Heck, I think even Joey Amalfitano (1964) had a much better year than Hornsby did in 1990!!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by christian gentleman
              no sp catfish hunter?
              Hunter's best season was tied for 30th! And, it was 1972 according to RSAA, which accounts for performance vs. the league an dstands for Runs Saved Against Average. The definition from the Encyclopedia:
              RSAA--Runs saved against average. It's the amount of runs that a pitcher saved vs. what an average pitcher would have allowed. It's the same stat as Total Baseball's Pitching Runs, except (1) we both have different ways of park adjustments and (2) they added a procedure to take into account the amount of decisions (W+L) the pitcher had, while RSAA doesn't have that. Just like RCAA, the stat can produce a negative result

              If I had went strictly with the 5 best seasons it would have been Grove, Grove, Grove, Grove and Blue!!!!

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              • #22
                SP-Feller 1940
                SP-Joss 1908
                SP-Lemon 1948
                SP-SCoveleski 1920
                RP-Mesa, 1995
                C-Johny Romano 1961?
                1B-Thome '02/Trosky '36/Thornton '78
                2B-Lajoie 1904
                3B-Rosen '53/Thome '96
                SS-Boudreau
                LF-Belle 1994
                CF-Speaker 1916
                RF-JJackson '12/MRamirez '00
                Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by RuthMayBond
                  SP-Feller 1940
                  SP-Joss 1908
                  SP-Lemon 1948
                  SP-SCoveleski 1920
                  RP-Mesa, 1995
                  C-Johny Romano 1961?
                  1B-Thome '02/Trosky '36/Thornton '78
                  2B-Lajoie 1904
                  3B-Rosen '53/Thome '96
                  SS-Boudreau
                  LF-Belle 1994
                  CF-Speaker 1916
                  RF-JJackson '12/MRamirez '00
                  Interesting that 3 of those guys (Lajoie, Boudreau, Speaker) were player/managers. It may have been 4, was Albert Belle a player/manager?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mordeci
                    Interesting that 3 of those guys (Lajoie, Boudreau, Speaker) were player/managers. It may have been 4, was Albert Belle a player/manager?
                    Albert Belle couldn't manage himself
                    Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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                    • #25
                      The Expos:

                      1.1986 Tim Raines, LF (.334/.413/.476 146 OPS+ 70 SB)
                      2.2000 Jose Vidro, 2B (.330/.379/.540 126 OPS+ 200 H)
                      3.2000 Vladimir Guerrero, RF (.345/.410/.664 162 OPS+ 44 HR)
                      4.1979 Larry Parrish, 3B (.307/.357/.551 146 OPS+ 30 HR)
                      5.1982 Al Oliver (.331/.392/.514 150 OPS+ 43 2B, 204 hits)
                      6.1982 Gary Carter, C (.293/.381/.510 146 OPS+ 97 RBI)
                      7.1983 Andre Dawson, CF (.299/.338/.539 143 OPS+ 25 SB)
                      8.2003 Orlando Cabrera, SS (.297/.347/.460 105 OPS+ 24 SB)

                      SP1-1997 Pedro Martinez (17-8 241.1 1.90 ERA 221 ERA+)
                      SP2-1982 Steve Rogers (19-8 277 IP 2.40 ERA 152 ERA+)
                      SP3-1991 Dennis Martinez (14-11 222 IP 2.39 ERA 151 ERA+)
                      SP4-2003 Livan Hernandez (15-10 233.1 IP 3.20 ERA 130 ERA+)
                      SP5-1989 Mark Langston (16-14 270 IP 2.74 ERA 135 ERA+)
                      Spot-1993 Jeff Fassero (12-5 149.2 IP 2.29 ERA 183 ERA+)

                      RP-1993 John Wetteland (9-3 85.1 IP 1.37 ERA 305 ERA+ 43 Sv)
                      RP-1972 Mike Marshall (14-8 116 IP 1.78 ERA 199 ERA+ 18 Sv)
                      RP-1992 Mel Rojas (7-1 100.2 IP 1.43 ERA 243 ERA+ 10 Sv)
                      RP-1998 Ugueth Urbina (6-3 69.1 IP 1.30 ERA 324 ERA+ 34 Sv)
                      RP-1987 Tim Burke (7-0 91 IP 1.19 ERA 355 ERA+ 18 Sv)

                      Not too bad for a team that doesn't even exist anymore.
                      Last edited by 538280; 01-22-2006, 06:38 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by baseballPAP
                        The A's.......

                        DH-Henderson 1990(if not used above) or John Jaha 1999 (actual DH)
                        How about using Giambi '00 or '01?

                        I know he only actually DHed like 15% of the time that or so in those days but...
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by digglahhh
                          How about using Giambi '00 or '01?

                          I know he only actually DHed like 15% of the time that or so in those days but...
                          A fine choice.....his years wer actually the only 2 better than Henderson's 1990 left for the A's. I'd say leave Henderson in LF, Simmons in CF, and Giambi as the DH.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by blackout805
                            My team's the Yankees, so I'll take them:

                            Babe Ruth's best season (1921) came when he was playing LF for the Yankees, therefore he is there.

                            C-Yogi Berra 1950
                            1B-Lou Gehrig 1927
                            2B-Alfonso Soriano 2002 (slightly over Joe Gordans MVP year)
                            SS-Derek Jeter 1999
                            3B-Alex Rodriguez 2005
                            LF-Babe Ruth 1921 (slightly over Babe Ruth 1920)
                            CF-Mickey Mantle 1956 (slightly over Joe Dimaggio's 1937)
                            RF-Roger Marris 1961
                            DH-Jason Giambi 2005
                            I've done this before.

                            I put DiMag in CF and Mantle at DH, but since Mantle didn't play DH, I guess that's a disservice to him. And there's no WAY that Giambi's 2005 was even close to as good as his 2002, when he DH'd in roughly the same proportion as in 2005.

                            I go with Gordon over Soriano, though I could see reasonable people disagreeing on that.

                            Only other difference: Berra was great, but, depending on who you want to believe about his defense (some say he was above average, some say atrocious), Dickey's 1936 was probably better than any Berra year.
                            "Simply put, the passion, interest and tradition surrounding baseball in New York is unmatched."

                            Sean McAdam, ESPN.com

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                            • #29
                              Mets:
                              C - Gary Carter 1985
                              1B - John Olerud 1998
                              2B - Edgardo Alfonzo 2000
                              SS - Jose Reyes 2006
                              3B - David Wright 2007
                              LF - Bernard Gilkey 1996
                              CF - Lance Johnson 1996
                              RF - Darryl Strawberry 1987
                              P - Dwight Gooden 1985
                              My top 10 players:

                              1. Babe Ruth
                              2. Barry Bonds
                              3. Ty Cobb
                              4. Ted Williams
                              5. Willie Mays
                              6. Alex Rodriguez
                              7. Hank Aaron
                              8. Honus Wagner
                              9. Lou Gehrig
                              10. Mickey Mantle

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                              • #30
                                Good!!!

                                Toronto Blue Jays:

                                C: Russell Martin, 2015 (no kidding)
                                1B: John Olerud, 1993
                                2B: Roberto Alomar, 1992
                                3B: Kelly Gruber, 1990
                                SS: Tony Fernandez, 1987
                                LF: George Bell, 1987
                                CF: Vernon Wells, 2003
                                RF: Jose Bautista, 2011
                                DH: Paul Molitor, 1993

                                SP: Roger Clemens, 1997
                                SP: Roy Halladay, 2003
                                SP: Dave Stieb, 1984
                                SP: Pat Hentgen, 1996
                                SP: Jimmy Key, 1987

                                RV: Mark Eichorn, 1986
                                RV: Duane Ward, 1989
                                CL: Tom Henke, 1987


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                                George Brett

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