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  • Herr28
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    You should split up your Giants between NY and SF, HWR. It looks too weird seeing them all mixed up like that. Actually, I am just trying to campaign for Robby Thompson getting the second base job! But, I know you guys would waste that spot with some joker like Jeff Kent. Blah.

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  • Honus Wagner Rules
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    In 2003 Rob Neyer released his book called Rob Neyer's Big Book of Baseball Lineups: A Complete Guide to the Best, Worst, and Most Memorable Players to Ever Grace the Major Leagues covering this subject.


    Neyer book cover.jpg



    Here is Neyer's selections for the the NY/SF Giants all time single seasons per position. I would replace Roger Bresnahan with Buster Posey's 2012 MVP season. Will Clark 1989 over Willie McCovey's 1969 season is an interesting selection as is Devlin over Matt Williams or Jimmy Ray Hart.

    NY-SF Giants all time single season.jpg
    Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 12-11-2014, 12:17 PM.

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  • Herr28
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    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    No Kent Hrbek bothers me more.
    Start a petition to get T-Rex on pheasant's team! I'll be the first to put my Hrbie Hancock on it. . .

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
    No Brad Radke?! Have you completely gone bonkers up there pheasant? I know it gets cold this time of year, but c'mon man. It isn't like I am pushing for Mike Smithson or Joe Mays. Radke was the man!
    No Kent Hrbek bothers me more.

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  • Herr28
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    No Brad Radke?! Have you completely gone bonkers up there pheasant? I know it gets cold this time of year, but c'mon man. It isn't like I am pushing for Mike Smithson or Joe Mays. Radke was the man!

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Originally posted by pheasant View Post
    Twins:

    1B Morneau 2006, MVP, 34 HR, 130 RBI, .321/.375/.559
    2b Carew 1977, MVP, .388 avg
    SS Versalles 1965, MVP, led league in TB, runs scored, doubles, and triples, won GG,
    3B Killebrew 1969-MVP, 49 HR, 140 RBI, led league with .427 OB%,
    RF-Oliva 1964, ROY away, led league in avg, runs, hits, doubles, and total bases(374)
    CF-Puckett 1988-234 hits, 24 HR, 121 RBI and .356 avg..led league with 358 TB
    LF-Allison 1963-lead league in runs scored, OPS, and OPS+, hit 35 HRS
    C mauer 2009-MVP, won percentage triple crown, hit .365 as a catcher!

    Scott Erickson 1991—20-8, 135 ERA+
    Santana 2004- 20-6, 2.61 ERA, 182 ERA+, 228 IP
    Viola 1988- 24-7, 2.64 ERA, 255.1 IP, 154 ERA+
    Alan Anderson 1988- 16-9, league leading 166 ERA+ and 2.45 ERA
    Jim Kaat 1966, 25-13, league-leading 304.2 IP, 131 ERA+
    Blyleven 1973, 20-17, league leading 9 shutouts and 156 ERA+, 325 IP

    Joe Nathan 2006—7-0 record, 1.58 ERA, 36 saves, 284 ERA+ in 68.1 IP
    Aguilara 1991—69.0 IP, 183 ERA+, 42 saves
    Carew in '77 was a first baseman. He played 151 games at 1B and 4 games at 2B.

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  • pheasant
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    Twins:

    1B Morneau 2006, MVP, 34 HR, 130 RBI, .321/.375/.559
    2b Carew 1977, MVP, .388 avg
    SS Versalles 1965, MVP, led league in TB, runs scored, doubles, and triples, won GG,
    3B Killebrew 1969-MVP, 49 HR, 140 RBI, led league with .427 OB%,
    RF-Oliva 1964, ROY away, led league in avg, runs, hits, doubles, and total bases(374)
    CF-Puckett 1988-234 hits, 24 HR, 121 RBI and .356 avg..led league with 358 TB
    LF-Allison 1963-lead league in runs scored, OPS, and OPS+, hit 35 HRS
    C mauer 2009-MVP, won percentage triple crown, hit .365 as a catcher!

    Scott Erickson 1991—20-8, 135 ERA+
    Santana 2004- 20-6, 2.61 ERA, 182 ERA+, 228 IP
    Viola 1988- 24-7, 2.64 ERA, 255.1 IP, 154 ERA+
    Alan Anderson 1988- 16-9, league leading 166 ERA+ and 2.45 ERA
    Jim Kaat 1966, 25-13, league-leading 304.2 IP, 131 ERA+
    Blyleven 1973, 20-17, league leading 9 shutouts and 156 ERA+, 325 IP

    Joe Nathan 2006—7-0 record, 1.58 ERA, 36 saves, 284 ERA+ in 68.1 IP
    Aguilara 1991—69.0 IP, 183 ERA+, 42 saves

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Originally posted by willshad View Post
    Green was good, but I would take Sheffield in 2000 or Smith in 1977.

    Now that i think about it Sheffield has a case to be on about four or five of these all time teams..I dont know if that is a point in his favor or not.

    It's weird that in sixty years the Dodgers have not had a really great season by a first baseman.
    Sheffield has a very good case for Dodgers, Padres and Marlins. He had great seasons with the Braves and Yankees too but has no case for those franchises (blocked by Aaron and Ruth).

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  • willshad
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    Originally posted by Second Base Coach View Post
    How about my Dodgers? I will give you two teams, one from Brooklyn and one from Los Angeles

    Brooklyn Dodgers on the left and the Los Angeles Dodgers on the right
    C- Roy Campanella 1953............................Mike Piazza 1997
    1B- Gil Hodges 1954.................................Eddie Murray 1990
    2B- Jackie Robinson 1949..........................Steve Sax 1986
    3B- Jimmy Johnston 1921..........................Adrian Beltre 2004
    SS- Pee Wee Reese 1949..........................Maury Wills 1962
    LF- Zack Wheat 1924...............................Pedro Guerrero 1985
    CF- Duke Snider 1953..............................Matt Kemp 2011
    RF- Babe Herman 1930............................Shawn Green 2001



    Pitchers and bench later...
    Green was good, but I would take Sheffield in 2000 or Smith in 1977.

    Now that i think about it Sheffield has a case to be on about four or five of these all time teams..I dont know if that is a point in his favor or not.

    It's weird that in sixty years the Dodgers have not had a really great season by a first baseman.
    Last edited by willshad; 12-11-2014, 09:54 AM.

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  • Second Base Coach
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    How about my Dodgers? I will give you two teams, one from Brooklyn and one from Los Angeles

    Brooklyn Dodgers on the left and the Los Angeles Dodgers on the right
    C- Roy Campanella 1953............................Mike Piazza 1997
    1B- Gil Hodges 1954.................................Eddie Murray 1990
    2B- Jackie Robinson 1949..........................Steve Sax 1986
    3B- Jimmy Johnston 1921..........................Adrian Beltre 2004
    SS- Pee Wee Reese 1949..........................Maury Wills 1962
    LF- Zack Wheat 1924...............................Pedro Guerrero 1985
    CF- Duke Snider 1953..............................Matt Kemp 2011
    RF- Babe Herman 1930............................Shawn Green 2001

    Now pitchers and if we can only use a guy once...

    Dazzy Vance 1924..................................Sandy Koufax 1966
    Burleigh Grimes 1920.............................Don Drysdale 1964**
    Nap Rucker 1911...................................Orel Hershiser 1988
    Jeff Pfeffer 1916...................................Andy Messersmith 1975
    Preacher Roe 1951*..............................Clayton Kershaw 2013
    Don Newcombe 1956.............................Don Sutton 1972
    Clem Labine 1955.................................Ron Perranoski 1963
    Joe Black 1952.....................................Eric Gagne 2003
    Hugh Casey 1940..................................Mike Marshall 1974

    Roe's 1951 season wasn't that great statistically, but when you go 22-3....
    Drysdale's best seasons are hard to tell apart and littered with their share of losses. Most fans would pick out 1962 because of the 25 wins.

    If you want a few extra guys for the bench:

    Lefty O'Doul 1932...................................Tommy Davis 1962
    Pete Reiser 1941...................................Gary Sheffield 2001
    Dixie Walker 1944.................................Jimmy Wynn 1974
    Arky Vaughan 1943................................Reggie Smith 1977
    Jimmy Johnson 1921..............................Rafael Furcal 2006
    Jim Gilliam 1956...................................Dick Allen 1971
    Jack Fournier 1924................................Davey Lopes 1979
    Dolph Camilli 1941.................................Steve Garvey 1974
    Eddie Stanky 1946................................Mike Scioscia 1985
    Babe Phelps 1936.................................Hanley Ramirez 2013
    Last edited by Second Base Coach; 12-11-2014, 06:09 PM.

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  • Herr28
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    Originally posted by Francoeurstein View Post
    Yea Blauser had a fine season in 1993, posting a 125 OPS+. Renteria also had a good season hitting about .330 (don't feel like looking it up at the moment). I just prefer Simmons out-of-this-world defensive abilities. He's the only fielder I've ever watched that makes your jaw drop at least once a game.
    I agree. I would certainly take a great glove at that spot. I was just reminiscing about them foggy "good ol' days."

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  • Francoeurstein
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    Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
    Yeah, I don't think Rafael Belliard or Rafael Ramirez are going to be taking any spots on your roster. Ramirez was an All-star once, I think. Maybe I am mistaking him for some other no-hit 1980s SS in the NL? What about Jeff Blauser? Have you looked him up? I remember him having a decent stick, but that was 20+ years ago and I may have been mistaken. Those are the names I think of when I think of old Braves shortstops.
    Yea Blauser had a fine season in 1993, posting a 125 OPS+. Renteria also had a good season hitting about .330 (don't feel like looking it up at the moment). I just prefer Simmons out-of-this-world defensive abilities. He's the only fielder I've ever watched that makes your jaw drop at least once a game.

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  • Herr28
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    Originally posted by Francoeurstein View Post
    As a franchise, the Braves haven't had much luck at SS. Johnny Logan and Rafael Furcal had some nice seasons, but nothing spectacular.

    Andruw is one of the greatest fielding CF of all time, so that vaults him ahead of Dale.

    Mathews arguably had some better seasons than Chipper, but I had a hard time leaving out my childhood on this one. Nothing like watching Chipper and the hang tear it up during those hot Georgia summers.

    Sheffield was awesome here in Atlanta, but there's no way he supplants Hammerin' Hank.
    Yeah, I don't think Rafael Belliard or Rafael Ramirez are going to be taking any spots on your roster. Ramirez was an All-star once, I think. Maybe I am mistaking him for some other no-hit 1980s SS in the NL? What about Jeff Blauser? Have you looked him up? I remember him having a decent stick, but that was 20+ years ago and I may have been mistaken. Those are the names I think of when I think of old Braves shortstops.

    EDIT: Oh man, just looked up the 1987 Braves to see if Blauser and Ramirez were on the team together and I forgot all about the bridge between them at short -- Andres Thomas! Yikes. Anyway, back to Blauser, it looks like he did have some fine seasons during the mini-Ice Age in the late 80s and early 90s. I would take him on my team, not at that time (I would stick with Ozzie), but he was probably a very fine hitting shortstop in that era. I am not going to look up the others, though.
    Last edited by Herr28; 12-11-2014, 08:00 AM.

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  • Francoeurstein
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    Franchise all-time line ups by best year by a player

    Originally posted by willshad View Post
    Somehow i think that the Braves have had a season by a shortstop that was better than a guy who had a .692 OPS during his season. Also, what about Dale Murphy in center? he had several years better than Jones' best. Oh, and what about Eddie Mathews? Mcgriff in 1994 and Sheffield in 2003 deserve mention also.
    As a franchise, the Braves haven't had much luck at SS. Johnny Logan and Rafael Furcal had some nice seasons, but nothing spectacular.

    Andruw is one of the greatest fielding CF of all time, so that vaults him ahead of Dale.

    Mathews arguably had some better seasons than Chipper, but I had a hard time leaving out my childhood on this one. Nothing like watching Chipper and the hang tear it up during those hot Georgia summers.

    Sheffield was awesome here in Atlanta, but there's no way he supplants Hammerin' Hank.

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  • willshad
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    Originally posted by Francoeurstein View Post
    C: Javy Lopez 2003
    1B: Andres Galarraga 1998
    2B: Rogers Hornsby 1928
    3B: Chipper Jones 2007
    SS: Andrelton Simmons 2013
    LF: Lonnie Smith 1989
    CF: Andruw Jones 2000 or 2005
    RF: Hank Aaron 1963

    SP: Greg Maddux 1995
    SP: Warren Spahn 1953
    SP: Tom Glavine 1991
    SP: John Smoltz 1996
    SP: Phil Niekro 1978
    CL: Craig Kimbrel 2012
    Somehow i think that the Braves have had a season by a shortstop that was better than a guy who had a .692 OPS during his season. Also, what about Dale Murphy in center? he had several years better than Jones' best. Oh, and what about Eddie Mathews? Mcgriff in 1994 and Sheffield in 2003 deserve mention also.
    Last edited by willshad; 12-11-2014, 03:09 AM.

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