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  • SavoyBG
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    Originally posted by Blackout View Post
    2B-Alfonso Soriano 2002 (slightly over Joe Gordans MVP year)
    Cano's best year has to be better than Soriano's 2002, especially on defense.

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  • SavoyBG
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    Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
    DiMaggio cannot be left off of a Yankee team and Mantle most certanly would have DHed, had they had one. They both must be on the team, IMO.
    DiMag played more LF than CF in 1936, you could put him there.

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  • JR Hart
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    Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
    Did you really just quote ElHalo? You might as well holler out to RuthMayBond or 538280....or Hoffa
    (laugh) well it was on this page. I didn't notice the date

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  • Francoeurstein
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    Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
    Did you really just quote ElHalo? You might as well holler out to RuthMayBond or 538280....or Hoffa
    Great posters.

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  • Sultan_1895-1948
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    Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
    DiMaggio cannot be left off of a Yankee team and Mantle most certanly would have DHed, had they had one. They both must be on the team, IMO.
    Did you really just quote ElHalo? You might as well holler out to RuthMayBond or 538280....or Hoffa

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  • JR Hart
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    Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
    I'll do one...

    Lineup
    1. Billy Hamilton, 1894 - 8
    2. Chase Utley, 2007 - 4
    3. Mike Schmidt, 1980 - 5
    4. Ryan Howard, 2006 - 3
    5. Ed Delahanty, 1899 - 7
    6. Big Sam Thompson, 1894 - 9
    7. Mike Lieberthal, 1999 - 2
    8. Jimmy Rollins, 2007 - 6
    9. Steve Carlton, 1972 - 1

    Bench
    RF - Chuck Klein, 1930
    LF - Lefty O'Doul, 1929
    CF - Richie Ashburn, 1958
    3B - Scott Rolen, 1998
    SS - Larry Bowa, 1978
    C - Bob Boone, 1979

    Starters
    Pete Alexander, 1915
    Roy Halladay, 2010
    Robin Roberts, 1953
    Charlie Ferguson, 1886 - OF/2B

    Bullpen
    Billy Wagner, 2005 - CL
    Brad Lidge, 2008 - SU
    Jose Mesa, 2002 - MR
    Steve Bedrosian, 1987 - MR
    Mitch Williams, 1993 - LHS
    Jim Konstanty, 1950 - LR
    no 1972 Carlton? whew!

    C: Javy Lopez 2003
    1B: Andres Galarraga 1998
    2B: Rogers Hornsby 1928
    3B: Chipper Jones 2007
    SS: Andrelton Simmons 2013
    LF: Lonnie Smith 1989
    CF: Andruw Jones 2000 or 2005
    RF: Hank Aaron 1963

    SP: Greg Maddux 1995
    SP: Warren Spahn 1953
    SP: Tom Glavine 1991
    SP: John Smoltz 1996
    SP: Phil Niekro 1978
    CL: Craig Kimbrel 2012
    great list. I would put 1970 Carty in LF over Smith.

    How about the worst franchise of all:
    1B- George Sisler 1920
    2B- Marty McManus 1922
    SS- Junior Stephens 1944
    3B- Bob Dillinger 1948
    OF- Ken Williams 1922
    OF- Heine Manush 1928
    OF- Goose Goslin 1930
    C- Hank Severeid 1922
    DH- Harlond Clift 1938

    P- Nelson Potter 1944
    P- Urban Shocker 1921
    P- Ned Garver 1951
    Chet Laabs PH?

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  • JR Hart
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    Originally posted by ElHalo View Post
    I've done this before.

    I put DiMag in CF and Mantle at DH, but since Mantle didn't play DH, I guess that's a disservice to him. And there's no WAY that Giambi's 2005 was even close to as good as his 2002, when he DH'd in roughly the same proportion as in 2005.

    I go with Gordon over Soriano, though I could see reasonable people disagreeing on that.

    Only other difference: Berra was great, but, depending on who you want to believe about his defense (some say he was above average, some say atrocious), Dickey's 1936 was probably better than any Berra year.
    DiMaggio cannot be left off of a Yankee team and Mantle most certanly would have DHed, had they had one. They both must be on the team, IMO.

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  • bluesky5
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    I'll do one...

    Lineup
    1. Billy Hamilton, 1894 - 8
    2. Chase Utley, 2007 - 4
    3. Mike Schmidt, 1980 - 5
    4. Ryan Howard, 2006 - 3
    5. Ed Delahanty, 1899 - 7
    6. Big Sam Thompson, 1894 - 9
    7. Mike Lieberthal, 1999 - 2
    8. Jimmy Rollins, 2007 - 6
    9. Steve Carlton, 1972 - 1

    Bench
    RF - Chuck Klein, 1930
    LF - Lefty O'Doul, 1929
    CF - Richie Ashburn, 1958
    3B - Scott Rolen, 1998
    SS - Larry Bowa, 1978
    C - Bob Boone, 1979

    Starters
    Pete Alexander, 1915
    Roy Halladay, 2010
    Robin Roberts, 1953
    Charlie Ferguson, 1886 - OF/2B

    Bullpen
    Billy Wagner, 2005 - CL
    Brad Lidge, 2008 - SU
    Jose Mesa, 2002 - MR
    Steve Bedrosian, 1987 - MR
    Mitch Williams, 1993 - LHS
    Jim Konstanty, 1950 - LR

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  • Francoeurstein
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    C: Javy Lopez 2003
    1B: Andres Galarraga 1998
    2B: Rogers Hornsby 1928
    3B: Chipper Jones 2007
    SS: Andrelton Simmons 2013
    LF: Lonnie Smith 1989
    CF: Andruw Jones 2000 or 2005
    RF: Hank Aaron 1963

    SP: Greg Maddux 1995
    SP: Warren Spahn 1953
    SP: Tom Glavine 1991
    SP: John Smoltz 1996
    SP: Phil Niekro 1978
    CL: Craig Kimbrel 2012

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  • leagueleader
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    How about the worst franchise of all:
    1B- George Sisler 1920
    2B- Marty McManus 1922
    SS- Junior Stephens 1944
    3B- Bob Dillinger 1948
    OF- Ken Williams 1922
    OF- Heine Manush 1928
    OF- Goose Goslin 1930
    C- Hank Severeid 1922
    DH- Harlond Clift 1938

    P- Nelson Potter 1944
    P- Urban Shocker 1921
    P- Ned Garver 1951

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  • Ben Grimm
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    Originally posted by Kroxquo View Post
    VERY quick research on this, but here is my submission for the Phils

    C - Spud Davis 1932
    1B - Jim Thome 2003
    2B - Nap Lajoie 1897
    3B - Mike Schmidt 1980
    SS - Dick Bartell 1932
    LF - Ed Delahanty 1894
    CF - Billy Hamilton 1894
    RF - Chuck Klein 1930
    SP - Steve Carlton 1972 (arguably the best season by ANY starting pitcher ever)
    RP - Billy Wagner 2005
    Haven't looked thru this so maybe I'll work on it this week. But I had to make two quick edits based on the date of this post.

    C - Spud Davis 1932
    1B - Ryan Howard 2006
    2B - Nap Lajoie 1897
    3B - Mike Schmidt 1980
    SS - Jimmy Rollins 2007
    LF - Ed Delahanty 1894
    CF - Billy Hamilton 1894
    RF - Chuck Klein 1930
    SP - Steve Carlton 1972 (arguably the best season by ANY starting pitcher ever)
    RP - Billy Wagner 2005

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  • Herr28
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    Originally posted by Yankillaz View Post
    I know. But Whitt's best season was probably 1985 or 1987 (though WAR says otherwise) and he barely was healthy. I rather have Darrin Fletcher 2000, but I'm certain that Martin is going to top them both. Since this thread will last a long time here in BBF I don't want to be like the OP that has A-Rod's 2005 when his 2007 hadn't occured and was way better.
    Rubbish. Ernie Whitt is the definition of the Toronto Blue Jays! Jesse Barfield, too, but with so many outfielders you might be excused. On second thought, it is blasphemy to not have big Barfield's cannon in RF on your team. Blas-phem-y, with a capital "B" -- for "Barfield shoulda been there!"

    I need to update the Redbird team. Not a bad bunch of picks in the 8 year old post by '64Cards, though even at that time I would have had Jimmy Edmonds 2004 for our CF and Tip O'Neill 1887 for our LF. I'll freshen up the Redbirds and leave the Blue Birds to you!

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  • Yankillaz
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    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    Olerud '93 vs. Delgado '00 makes for a good comparison for best 1B season in Blue Jays history.

    Olerud '93
    .363/.473/.599, 24 HR, 107 RBI, 54 doubles, 186 OPS+, 7.7 WAR (led league in BA, OBP, OPS, OPS+, doubles, TOB, RC, 3rd in MVP voting, absolutely robbed by Frank Thomas and teammate Paul Molitor)

    Delgado '00
    .344/.470/.664, 41 HR, 137 RBI, 57 doubles, 181 OPS+, 7.3 WAR (led league in doubles, Total Bases, RC, XBH, TOB, and WPA)
    Offensively they were dead even. The tie breaker for Olerud was his defensive chops, the fact that Toronto won the 1993 WS and the legendary status of his season.

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  • Yankillaz
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    Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
    What the heck is going on Yankillaz?! You will take the year of a player who hasn't done anything yet over the great Toronto legendary backstop Ernie Whitt? You have lost your marbles, methinks.

    Kidding, though I was a huge Whitt fan back in his heyday.
    I know. But Whitt's best season was probably 1985 or 1987 (though WAR says otherwise) and he barely was healthy. I rather have Darrin Fletcher 2000, but I'm certain that Martin is going to top them both. Since this thread will last a long time here in BBF I don't want to be like the OP that has A-Rod's 2005 when his 2007 hadn't occured and was way better.

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Olerud '93 vs. Delgado '00 makes for a good comparison for best 1B season in Blue Jays history.

    Olerud '93
    .363/.473/.599, 24 HR, 107 RBI, 54 doubles, 186 OPS+, 7.7 WAR (led league in BA, OBP, OPS, OPS+, doubles, TOB, RC, 3rd in MVP voting, absolutely robbed by Frank Thomas and teammate Paul Molitor)

    Delgado '00
    .344/.470/.664, 41 HR, 137 RBI, 57 doubles, 181 OPS+, 7.3 WAR (led league in doubles, Total Bases, RC, XBH, TOB, and WPA)

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