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  • Herr28
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    I'll try a Cardinals team, though it will be very tough to sift through all the great single seasons over the 130+ years:

    _C: Yadier Molina 2012 ----- .315/.373/.501, 22 HR, 137 OPS+, and the greatest catcher in MLB
    1B: Albert Pujols 2008 ------- .357/.462/.653, 37 HR, 192 OPS+, and the greatest offensive machine of his generation -- as well as many others
    2B: Rogers Hornsby 1924 --- .424/.507/.696, 25 HR, 222 OPS+ and a very fine second baseman
    SS: Ozzie Smith 1987 ------- .303/.392/.383, 43 SB, 105 OPS+ and the greatest shortstop in history
    3B: Scott Rolen 2004 -------- .314/.409/.598, 34 HR, 158 OPS+ and one of the greatest gloves at third base
    LF: Tip O'Neill 1887 --------- .435/.490/.691, 52 2B, 213 OPS+ and led the American Association in BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, R, H, 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, TB
    CF: Jim Edmonds 2004 ----- .301/.418/.643, 42 HR, 171 OPS+ and excellent defense in CF, one of 5 men to hit 40+ HR for Cardinals and he did it twice (3 did it more than once)
    RF: Stan Musial 1948 ------ .376/.450/.702, 39 HR, 200 OPS+ and led the NL in almost everything but 1 HR short of the Triple Crown (lost one in a rain out game)

    SP: Bob Gibson 1968 - 22-9, 1.12 ERA, 13 SHO, 258 ERA+
    SP: John Tudor 1985 - 21-8, 1.93 ERA, 10 SHO, 185 ERA+
    SP: Dizzy Dean 1934 - 30-7, 2.66 ERA, _7 SHO, 159 ERA+
    SP: Silver King 1888 - 45-20, 1.63 ERA, _6 SHO, 195 ERA+
    SP: Mort Cooper 1942 - 22-7, 1.78 ERA, 10 SHO, 192 ERA+

    Honorable mentions to:
    Harry Brecheen 1948
    Chris Carpenter 2005
    Adam Wainwright 2014
    Ted Breitenstein 1893
    Bob Caruthers 1885
    Dave Foutz 1886

    The list of position players for an honorable mention would be way too long to sort out the one individual season, but here are some:

    Johnny Mize
    Mark McGwire 1998
    Joe Medwick 1937
    Edgar Renteria
    Ken Boyer
    Joe Torre 1971
    Jim Bottomley
    Ripper Collins 1934
    Ted Simmons 1975
    Keith Hernandez 1979
    Willie McGee 1985
    Tom Herr 1985 - Did anyone really expect me to leave this one off the list?
    Ray Lankford
    Enos Slaughter
    Frankie Frisch
    Jack Clark 1987
    Dick Allen

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  • Yankillaz
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    Originally posted by willshad View Post
    Green was good, but I would take Sheffield in 2000 or Smith in 1977.

    Now that i think about it Sheffield has a case to be on about four or five of these all time teams..I dont know if that is a point in his favor or not.

    It's weird that in sixty years the Dodgers have not had a really great season by a first baseman.
    Sheffield makes it:

    1992 Padres 3B
    1996 Marlins RF
    2000 Dodgers RF
    2003 Braves LF

    Nice.


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  • SamtheBravesFan
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    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    In 2003 Rob Neyer released his book called Rob Neyer's Big Book of Baseball Lineups: A Complete Guide to the Best, Worst, and Most Memorable Players to Ever Grace the Major Leagues covering this subject.


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    Here is Neyer's selections for the the NY/SF Giants all time single seasons per position. I would replace Roger Bresnahan with Buster Posey's 2012 MVP season. Will Clark 1989 over Willie McCovey's 1969 season is an interesting selection as is Devlin over Matt Williams or Jimmy Ray Hart.

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    That book's one of my favorites.

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  • Herr28
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    Originally posted by Second Base Coach View Post
    He must have heard of Wes Parker's magical 1970 season.

    Fluke, sure.... but terrific anyway.
    What? No love for Eric Karros?

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  • willshad
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    Originally posted by 64Cards View Post
    Boy, I'd have to go with Tommy Davis' incredible 62 season over Pedro in LF. 2/3 of a TC...avg .346/ RBI 153, plus lead the NL with 230 hits. Also scored 120 runs and hit 27 HR's, impressive in Dodger Stadium before they moved fences in a bit.
    That makes for an interesting sabermetric vs traditional stats debate. Davis in 1962 was great at all the things that sabermetrics doesn't care about.. batting average, hits, RBI. He out RBIed Guerrero 153-87, and outhit him .346 to .320, Yet, Guerrero had more WAR, 7.9 to 6.0, despite playing in 26 less games.

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  • JR Hart
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    SF Giants

    C Posey 2012
    1b McCovey 1969
    2b kent 2000
    SS Aurillia 2001
    3B M Williams 1994
    LF Ba Bonds 2001
    CF Mays 1965
    RF Bo Bonds 1970
    DH Cepeda 1961

    SP Marichal 1963
    SP Lincecum 2008
    SP J Schmidt 2003
    SP G Perry 1969
    SP Montefusco 1975

    CL LaVelle 1977

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  • 64Cards
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    Originally posted by Second Base Coach View Post
    How about my Dodgers? I will give you two teams, one from Brooklyn and one from Los Angeles

    Brooklyn Dodgers on the left and the Los Angeles Dodgers on the right
    C- Roy Campanella 1953............................Mike Piazza 1997
    1B- Gil Hodges 1954.................................Eddie Murray 1990
    2B- Jackie Robinson 1949..........................Steve Sax 1986
    3B- Jimmy Johnston 1921..........................Adrian Beltre 2004
    SS- Pee Wee Reese 1949..........................Maury Wills 1962
    LF- Zack Wheat 1924...............................Pedro Guerrero 1985
    CF- Duke Snider 1953..............................Matt Kemp 2011
    RF- Babe Herman 1930............................Shawn Green 2001
    Boy, I'd have to go with Tommy Davis' incredible 62 season over Pedro in LF. 2/3 of a TC...avg .346/ RBI 153, plus lead the NL with 230 hits. Also scored 120 runs and hit 27 HR's, impressive in Dodger Stadium before they moved fences in a bit.

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  • Second Base Coach
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    Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
    Go git him! Just let me get my popcorn ready and then go!
    He must have heard of Wes Parker's magical 1970 season.

    Fluke, sure.... but terrific anyway.

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  • Honus Wagner Rules
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    Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
    Yuck. That is what I am talking about. No class. Jeff Kent. HA! Robby Thompson was the man at second base, forget that joker Kent.
    I love Robby Thompson but Kent is a future Hall of Famer and most of his HoF seasons came as a Giant.

    Haller is a great choice when he wrote this, or would you still replace him with somebody else at that point? Terry Kennedy would be a great fit. . .
    The only other real competition Haller had before Buster Posey showed up was Bob Brenley.

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  • Herr28
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    Originally posted by Second Base Coach View Post
    Someone had better hold me back... Herr28?
    Go git him! Just let me get my popcorn ready and then go!

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  • Second Base Coach
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    Originally posted by willshad View Post
    It's weird that in sixty years the Dodgers have not had a really great season by a first baseman.
    Someone had better hold me back... Herr28?

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  • pheasant
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    Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
    No Brad Radke?! Have you completely gone bonkers up there pheasant? I know it gets cold this time of year, but c'mon man. It isn't like I am pushing for Mike Smithson or Joe Mays. Radke was the man!
    I was thinking of Pete Redfern. I couldn't put Hrbek on the list because I wanted to give other teams a chance. A team with Hrbek is too good.

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  • Herr28
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    Yuck. That is what I am talking about. No class. Jeff Kent. HA! Robby Thompson was the man at second base, forget that joker Kent. Haller is a great choice when he wrote this, or would you still replace him with somebody else at that point? Terry Kennedy would be a great fit. . .

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  • Honus Wagner Rules
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    Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
    You should split up your Giants between NY and SF, HWR. It looks too weird seeing them all mixed up like that. Actually, I am just trying to campaign for Robby Thompson getting the second base job! But, I know you guys would waste that spot with some joker like Jeff Kent. Blah.
    I consider the NY/SF Giants to be one franchise but Rob Neyer did list an all-time SF Giants team as well. I would replace Tom Haller with Buster Posey.

    Neyer SF Giants alltime team.jpg

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  • JR Hart
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    Originally posted by pheasant View Post
    Twins:

    1B Morneau 2006, MVP, 34 HR, 130 RBI, .321/.375/.559
    2b Carew 1977, MVP, .388 avg
    SS Versalles 1965, MVP, led league in TB, runs scored, doubles, and triples, won GG,
    3B Killebrew 1969-MVP, 49 HR, 140 RBI, led league with .427 OB%,
    RF-Oliva 1964, ROY away, led league in avg, runs, hits, doubles, and total bases(374)
    CF-Puckett 1988-234 hits, 24 HR, 121 RBI and .356 avg..led league with 358 TB
    LF-Allison 1963-lead league in runs scored, OPS, and OPS+, hit 35 HRS
    C mauer 2009-MVP, won percentage triple crown, hit .365 as a catcher!

    Scott Erickson 1991—20-8, 135 ERA+
    Santana 2004- 20-6, 2.61 ERA, 182 ERA+, 228 IP
    Viola 1988- 24-7, 2.64 ERA, 255.1 IP, 154 ERA+
    Alan Anderson 1988- 16-9, league leading 166 ERA+ and 2.45 ERA
    Jim Kaat 1966, 25-13, league-leading 304.2 IP, 131 ERA+
    Blyleven 1973, 20-17, league leading 9 shutouts and 156 ERA+, 325 IP

    Joe Nathan 2006—7-0 record, 1.58 ERA, 36 saves, 284 ERA+ in 68.1 IP
    Aguilara 1991—69.0 IP, 183 ERA+, 42 saves
    I grew up with the Twins. I hate to rain on your parade more, but Allison didn't play LF at all in 1963, not even an inning. He played RF, Killebrew played left and Rich Rollins played 3B.

    You may also want to consider Camilo Pascual in 1963. 21-9, 2.46, 202 ks (lead league), 148 ERA+
    Last edited by JR Hart; 12-11-2014, 01:30 PM.

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