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  • Stan Musial Thread

    Assuming we don't have one of these. Share your stories about Stan Musial.


    Here are some of mine.

    Musial as a person: It's hard to say, he seems like a nice man. I met him in March of 06 when he signed a Rawlings Official Major League Baseball, but no pictures, inscriptions OR handshakes. I like to shake peoples hands. Anyway, a mediocre guy. If you ask me, he may just be the greatest hitter in NL history. Look at his slugging numbers. I also rank Musial the 9th greatest player ever, and the greatest LF ever. Sorry Barry, but steroids will always get you in my book. Musial lasted over such a long period of time while doing this too. His 1948 season may also be the best by a left fielder ever also. He was insane that year. Stan Musial was, and is still an icon all around baseball, and truly was "The Man."



    http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/ho...usial_Stan.jpg
    131
    I rank Stan in my Top 10 Players.
    22.90%
    30
    I rank Stan in my Top 15 Players.
    11.45%
    15
    I rank Stan in my Top 20 Players.
    6.11%
    8
    I rank Stan Musial over Joe DiMaggio.
    16.79%
    22
    I rank Stan Musial over Ted Williams.
    2.29%
    3
    I rank Stan in my Top 10 Hitters.
    19.08%
    25
    I do not rank Stan in my Top 10 Hitters.
    4.58%
    6
    Stan was a greater player than Hank Aaron.
    4.58%
    6
    Hank Aaron was a greater player than Stan Musia.
    12.21%
    16

  • #2
    Originally posted by Lin_Kuei_Fighter View Post
    Assuming we don't have one of these. Share your stories about Stan Musial.


    Here are some of mine.

    Musial as a person: It's hard to say, he seems like a nice man. I met him in March of 06 when he signed a Rawlings Official Major League Baseball, but no pictures, inscriptions OR handshakes. I like to shake peoples hands. Anyway, a mediocre guy. If you ask me, he may just be the greatest hitter in NL history. Look at his slugging numbers. I also rank Musial the 9th greatest player ever, and the greatest LF ever. Sorry Barry, but steroids will always get you in my book. Musial lasted over such a long period of time while doing this too. His 1948 season may also be the best by a left fielder ever also. He was insane that year. Stan Musial was, and is still an icon all around baseball, and truly was "The Man."



    http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/ho...usial_Stan.jpg
    One of the very greatest there ever was. A genuinely great guy AND great ballplayer.

    Since the Forties, spent many Springs in Florida - and especially the St. Pete area - officially with the Cardinals, and otherwise. Stories of him abound, but not one negative. He truly was the ultimate gentleman of Baseball. And humble to the core.

    The most recent account I've heard of him was from a friend who used to bartend for him on the exclusive resort island of Terra Ciega. Young players and other celebrities used to drool over him, and he would always deflect the praise. Once, a couple of aspiring Cards from the Sixties came up to him at his dinner table and politely introduced their young wives or girlfriends and requested his autograph. Humbly, he thanked them for their compliments about him, but suggested the autograph they really should get was the one of the guy sitting with him at the table. When nobody seemed to recognize his dinnermate, he introduced him as one of the world's great writers. It was James Michener ... which meant a great deal to Musial, but not a whole lot evidently to the autograph seekers, so he proceeded to tell them about all his talents and achievements.

    An insignificant story by itself, perhaps, but in the context of all Musial's own talents and achievements, revealing of his true humility and gratitude.

    In his "Hit List," Williams claimed that he always regarded Musial as his equal as a hitter. I consider him right there with DiMaggio & Williams. No one gets much better than that.
    Last edited by Bill Burgess; 05-27-2009, 05:39 PM.

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    • #3
      Relative Stats:

      ----Relative BA-----Rel.Slg.-------Rel.onbase----Rel.ISO------OPS+
      ----123.9 (16th)---137.1 (19th)----121.1 (24th)---172.6 (40th)---159 (15th)

      Home/Away------BA----Slg.----onbase-----HR-----D-----T----RBI---AB-----BB
      Home:---------.336---.582------.429-----252----393---90---851---5,403---851
      Away:---------.326----.537------.408-----223-----332---87---895---5,571---748

      Hitting Stats Comparison Chart:

      Musial, Cobb, Wagner, Hornsby, Ruth, Gehrig, T. Williams, Mantle, Mays, Aaron, DiMaggio, Speaker, Lajoie

      Code:
      Stan Musial-BA--Hits-2B---3B--HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
      Led league---7---6----8----5---0---5----2----6---6---6----0---1--6
      2nd league---2---3----3----1---1---4----0----2---7---3----0---0--4
      3rd----------5---2----1----1---1---4----3----1---0---0----0---2--0
      4th----------2---1----0----2---1---1----2----2---2---3----0---2--3
      5th----------1---0----0----1---1---1----2----2---0---1----0---2--0
      6th----------0---0----2----0---1---0----0----1---1---0----0---0--1
      
      Cobb--------BA--Hits-2B---3B---HR---R--RBI-TB---OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
      led league--12---8----3----4----1---5---4---6----7----8----6---0--11
      2nd-league---3---3----4----4----2---2---2---2----7----3----1---1---3
      3rd----------1---3----4----2----2---2---1---2----0----3----2---0---1 
      4th----------2---0----0----1----0---1---0---1----0----1----3---1---1
      5th----------1---0----0----1----0---2---1---0----1----0----0---1---0
      6th----------2---0----2----0----0---0---0---0----0----0----0---0---0
      
      Wagner-------BA--Hits-2B---3B---HR---R--RBI--TB--OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
      led league----8---2----7----3----0---2---5----7---4----6----5---0--6
      2nd league----2---2----1----3----1---2---2----1---1----3----0---0--2
      3rd-----------0---5----3----2----0---2---2----4---2----2----2---0--2
      4th-----------2---3----0----0----1---2---3----2---1----1----0---1--1
      5th-----------1---1----1----0----2---1---1----2---2----0----0---0--0
      6th-----------1---0----0----1----2---0---1----0---0----1----0---1--0
      
      Hornsby-----BA---Hits-2B---3B--HR----R--RBI--TB---OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
      led league---8----4----4----2---2----5---4----7----9----9----0---3--12
      2nd league---2----1----1----1---2----1---1----2----1----1----0---1---1
      3rd----------1----1----1----1---3----0---2----0----1----1----0---0---0
      4th----------1----3----4----0---1----2---0----0----0----1----0---2---0
      5th----------0----0----0----0---5----0---0----0----0----1----0---0---0
      6th----------0----0----0----1---1----0---1----1----1----0----0---2---1
      
      Ruth---------BA---Hits-2B---3B---HR---R--RBI--TB---OBA--SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
      led league----1----0----1----0---12---8---6----6----9---13----0--11--13
      2nd league----2----0----1----0----2---1---2--- 3----2----1----0---1---1
      3rd-----------2----0----1----0----1---0---0----2----1----1----0---1---2
      4th-----------1----3----0----0----0---0---3----0----2----0----0---0---0
      5th-----------1----0----0----0----0---1---0----0----0----0----0---0---0
      6th-----------0----2----1----1----0---1---1----0----0----0----0---0---0
      
      Gehrig------BA---Hits-2B---3B---HR--Runs--RBI--TB---OBA-SLG--SB--BB-OPS+
      Led league---1----1----1----4----2----4----4----2----4----2---0---3--3
      2nd league---2----3----0----0----4----2----4----3----2----4---0---2--6
      3rd----------3----0----0----1----3----3----2----2----3----1---0---3--3
      4th----------0----1----0----0----1----2----2----0----0----3---0---0--0
      5th----------2----1----0----0----1----0----0----1----1----0---0---0--0
      6th----------1----0----1----0----1----0----0----1----0----0---0---1--0			
      							
      Ted Williams--BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA--SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
      Led league-----6----0----2---0---4---6----4----6---12---8---0---8--9
      2nd in league--2----1----2---0---4---1----2----0----0---1---0---1--1
      3rd------------1----2----0---0---2---1----1----4----0---1---0---2--3
      4th------------1----1----2---0---0---1----1----0----0---2---0---0--0
      5th------------0----4----0---0---0---0----1----0----0---0---0---1--0
      6th------------0----0----0---0---3---0----0----0----1---0---0---1--0
      												
      Mickey Mantle--BA---Hits-2B--3B--HR---Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
      Led league------1----1----0---1---4----6----1----3---3---4---0---5--8
      2nd in league---1----0----1---0---3----2----3----4---5---0---0---3--3
      3rd-------------1----0----0---0---2----1----1----2---1---2---0---2--1
      4th-------------2----2----0---1---0----0----0----1---2---0---2---0--0	
      5th-------------0----0----0---0---1----0----2----0---0---0---0---0--0
      6th-------------0----0----0---1---0----1----3----0---1---1---0---1--0				
      
      Willie Mays----BA---Hits-2B--3B---HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
      Led league------1----1----0---3----4---2----0----3---2---5---4---1--6
      2nd in league---3----1----1---1----1---5----2----5---1---3---0---1--1
      3rd-------------2----1----1---1----3---3----3----5---2---2---0---2--5
      4th-------------0----0----0---0----1---0----2----1---1---2---1---1--2
      5th-------------1----1----0---0----2---0----1----1---5---4---0---1--0
      6th-------------1----2----2---0----2---2----2----0---1---0---0---3--1	
      
      Hank Aaron----BA--Hits-2B--3B--HR---Runs-RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
      Led league-----2---2----4---0---4----3----4---8---0---4---0---0--3
      2nd in league--0---3----2---2---4----1----0---2---2---5---1---1--4
      3rd------------0---1----1---0---1----4----2---2---3---4---0---2--4
      4th------------3---0----1---2---2----2----2---2---1---1---2---2--1
      5th------------4---0----0---0---2----1----1---0---2---1---0---0--1
      6th------------0---3----1---0---2----1----1---1---1---2---2---0--2	
      
      Joe DiMaggio---BA--Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA--SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
      Led league------2---0----0---1---2---1----2----3---0----2---0---0--1
      2nd in league---0---1----1---0---0---2----3----2---0----5---0---0--4
      3rd-------------2---1----0---4---1---0----3----1---2----0---0---0--2
      4th-------------0---2----1---0---5---0----1----1---3----0---0---0--0
      5th-------------0---0----0---0---2---2----1----2---0----0---0---0--1
      6th-------------0---1----1---0---1---1----1----0---0----1---0---0--0
      
      Tris Speaker--BA--Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs-RBI--TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
      Led league-----1---2----8---0---1---0----0----1---4---1---0---0--1
      2nd in league--2---1----3---1---2---4----1----3---3---2---0---1--4
      3rd------------7---2----1---1---0---2----1----2---4---4---1---0--5	
      4th------------2---4----0---0---2---2----2----3---3---4---1---4--3
      5th------------1---2----0---0---0---0----0----1---1---2---3---2--3
      6th------------1---0----1---1---0---2----0----0---0---1---1---3--0
      
      Nap Lajoie---BA--Hits-2B--3B--HR--Runs--RBI-TB--OBA-SLG-SB--BB-OPS+
      Led league----3---4----5---0---1----1----3---4---2---4---0---0--3
      2nd in league-3---0----4---1---0----1----1---2---2---3---0---0--3
      3rd-----------1---1----1---0---1----0----2---0---1---2---0---0--0
      4th-----------1---1----1---0---0----1----1---2---1---0---0---0--1
      5th-----------0---1----0---0---0----0----1---0---1---0---0---0--0
      6th-----------3---1----0---0---2----0----1---0---0---2---1---0--4
      -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      leecemark; November 26, 2004, 08:08 AM
      The Top 10 LF results
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      1. Ted Williiams 227
      2. Barry Bonds 225
      3. Stan Musial 203
      4. Rickey Henderson 151
      5. Carl Yastrzemski 126
      6. Ed Delahanty 92
      7. Al Simmons 83
      8. Joe Jackson 76
      9. Tim Raines 40
      10. Ralph Kiner 26
      Others in double figures:
      11. Goose Goslin 23
      12. Willie Stargell 18
      13. Billy Williams, Manny Ramirez, Lou Brock and Turkey Stearns all with 13. Most disappointing oversight to me - Minnie Minoso.
      ------------------------------------------------------------------------
      538280; December 9, 2005, 09:02 AM
      Poll Results
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      The results are now in, and we had 15 valid ballots. Ted Williams won the poll by a healthy margin. Here is everyone who received 15 or more points (first place votes in parenthesis):

      1. Ted Williams-167 (11)
      2. Barry Bonds-138 (3)
      3. Stan Musial-126 (1)
      4. Rickey Henderson-99
      5. Carl Yastrzemski-63
      6. Al Simmons-45
      7. Ed Delahanty-45
      8. Joe Jackson-44
      9. Tim Raines-29
      10. Willie Stargell-21
      11. Turkey Stearnes-18
      -----------------------------------------------------
      Bill Burgess; May 21, 2007, 08:18 PM

      1) Williams 122
      2) Bonds 118
      3) Musial 106
      4) Henderson 81
      5) Yaz 61
      6) Joe Jackson 55
      7) Tie Raines/Ramirez 28
      9) Delahanty 25
      10) Simmons 21
      11) Wheat 11
      12) Tie Billy Williams, Stearns, Stargell 10
      15) Rose 6
      16) Goslin 5
      17) Medwick 3
      18) Tie Clarke, Kiner 1
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Greatest Hitter series, conducted by Bill Burgess, ending November 4, 2007, 08:05 AM

      1. Babe Ruth---------68 votes - 95.77%
      1. Ted Williams-------68 - 95.77%
      3. Ty Cobb-----------52 - 73.24%
      4. Rogers Hornsby----36 - 50.70%
      5. Lou Gehrig---------32 - 45.07%
      6. Barry Bonds
      7. Mickey Mantle
      8. Stan Musial
      9. Hank Aaron
      10. Willie Mays
      11. Jimmy Foxx
      12. Honus Wagner
      13. Frank Thomas
      14. Tris Speaker
      15. Frank Robinson
      16. Joe DiMaggio
      17. Joe Jackson
      18. Josh Gibson
      19. Nap Lajoie
      20. Mel Ott
      21. Oscar Charleston
      22. Alexander Rodriguez
      23. Dan Brouthers
      24. Mike Schmidt

      ------Stan Musial, Cardinals' OF, 1941-48------------Stan "The Man" Musial, 1943-----BB Reference---Stan Musial video-----------1941-48


      ---------------------------Stan Musial, 1949-50------------------------------------------1949-50


      -------------------------1957-61-------------------------------------September 19, 1949, against the Braves, in Sportsman's Park, St. Louis.

      ----------------------------1949-50------------------------------------------------------------1951-55


      Stan Musial, Cardinals' RF/1B, 1956


      Stan Musial, Cardinals' LF, 1952-55


      -----------------------------1941-50---------------------------------------------------------1957-63


      ------------------------------1941-46--------------------------------------------------------------------1941-46--------------------------------------------------1941-48


      -------------------------------------1951-55

      Last edited by Bill Burgess; 07-05-2011, 04:41 PM.

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      • #4
        I've had a couple opportunities to meet Musial, and I would hardly call him mediocre. Next to Bobby Hull, the nicest athlete I have met at an autograph session. Honestly, LKF, what do you expect from an 85-year-old man?
        -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Pennsylvania Excellence Award Recipients

        Original caption: Pennsylvania awards for excellence by the Governor's committee of 100,000 Pennsylvanians were presented to nine recipients here 11/17. The recipients are pictured with Governor Raymond P. Schafer.

        Dizzy Dean visits Cardinals' dugout, w/Stan Musial, who's seen signing autographs for fans, 1957-63.


        ------------------------1957-63--------BB Reference




        November 17, 1967: Top Row: L-R: Jimmie Stewart, (Performing Arts award), Stan "The Man" Musial, (Athletics award), Reverend Leon Sullivan, (Human Relations award), James Michener, (Creative Arts award), Walter Annenberg, (Journalists award).

        Bottom Row: L-R: Dr. Herbert K. Cooper, (Life Sciences award), Richard K. Mellon, (Industrial Leadership award), Governor Shafer, Commander Charles "Pete" Conrad, Jr., (Science and Technology award), Dr. Roy F. Nichols, (Education award).



        Honoring Stan The Man - November 11, 1964 - Friar's Club

        L-R: Unidentified, Stan Musial, Willie Mays, Frank Sinatra, Sandy Koufax, Dean Martin.



        ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------1942-46.
        Last edited by Bill Burgess; 01-10-2011, 03:16 PM.
        Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
        Joe Gary MCA Emanuel Sonny Dave Earl Stan
        Jonathan Neil Roger Anthony Ray Thomas Art Don
        Gates Philip John Warrior Rik Casey Tony Horace
        Robin Bill Ernie JEDI

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        • #5
          Everyone (dozens in St. Pete) I've ever known to meet Stan-the-Man recall him as an exceptionally gracious and generous man. He wasn't too generous to the pitchers of the 40's and 50's, but that's why he has his own thread.

          And he's real good on harmonica, too. Buy his album(s) and you'll see, I mean hear.
          Last edited by Bill Burgess; 05-27-2009, 05:26 PM.

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          • #6
            "The Man" is the epitome of what a BALLPLAYER is supposed to be! And he is an even better person than ballplayer. I would love to meet him before he passes away.
            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
              "The Man" is the epitome of what a BALLPLAYER is supposed to be! And he is an even better person than ballplayer. I would love to meet him before he passes away.
              Among living players, Musial would probably be the one I'd like to meet and spend a day with the most. In his life he's met and probably spoke a great deal with everyone from Honus Wagner to (perhaps?) Barry Bonds. He's basically the tie that binds 7 decades of baseball history together. He's one of my heroes.

              For Bill, Musial side notes:

              1. Few remember that Musial was supposed to be a pitcher, and came into the Cardinals organization. He played in West Virginia in 1939 and Stan and Daytona Beach (Class D) ball in 1940. They only carried 17 guys on the roster, so when guys weren't pitching on off days, they played elsewhere. Musial came in for a shoestring catch and landed on his shoulder, badly dislocating it. Stan actually believed that his career as a professional ballplayer was finished at that point, even though he hit .311 as a pitcher.

              When Musial showed up at spring training in 1942, he could barely pitch with any effectiveness against pros, including the likes of Enos Slaughter, Johnny Mize, and Terry Moore, all of whom hit him hard in exhibitions.

              2. Musial biographer James Giglio noted that after the injury in Daytona, "Musial could barely pitch" but also that the injury was truly a blessing in disguise.

              Ollie Vanek is the man who made the world privy to Stan Musial. In 1939, 40, and into 1941, Musial harbored a tremendous amount of self-doubt, and was really a very marginal minor league player. Vanek was the man who gave Stan his shot.

              Of course, Branch Rickey was a big part of the making of The Man, too.

              3. Musial was no Clint Hartung; he was anything but highly touted early on. He was a pitching prospect who had gotten hurt in the eyes of the Cardinals organization until late in 1941, when he moved up through the minors and became a position player, after languishing in what was really only professional baseball in name for two years.

              Some arcana from the records realm:

              Records Held
              Total bases, left handed batter, career, 6134
              Home runs, All Star Game, career, 6
              Home runs, doubleheader, 5 (May 2, 1954)
              Most seasons leading the league in doubles, 8 (tied)

              Major League Career Records
              Only player to rank in the top 25 of all 10 major hitting categories OBP-SLG-BA-HITS-2B-3B-HRS-RBIS-TB-BB
              All time Season League Leader in Different Offensive Categories - (16)
              Most straight seasons (16) with .300+ batting average - Minimum 500 Plate Appearance
              Most seasons (13) with 300 or more Total Bases - Tied with Lou Gehrig and Willie Mays
              Most straight seasons (16) with 30 or more doubles each year.
              Most straight seasons (16) to strike out 40 or fewer times - Minimum 500 PA
              First player to attain 300 HR / 3000 Hits

              Only player to hit 300 HR and over 170 3B
              Only player to hit 400 HR and strike out fewer that 700 times
              Only player to hit 400 HR and more than 700 2B
              Highest career OPS (.976)of all 3000 hit players
              First player to attain 300 HR / 3000 Hits / .300 BA
              First player to accumulate 6000 TB

              Most seasons (14) to record a .300 BA /.400 OBP /.500 SLG in the same season - Minimum 500 PA
              First player to play over 30% of games at two different postions.
              Highest career fielding percentage (.989) - over 2500 games.

              Alltime Leaders:

              Walk off Homeruns
              Jimmie Foxx……….12
              Mickey Mantle……. 12
              Stan Musial……….. 12
              Frank Robinson……12
              Babe Ruth………….12

              Other Accomplishments
              Only player in the last 60 years to record more that 170 career triples
              Only player in the last 70 years to hit 50 or more doubles in 3 different seasons
              Only player in the last 80 years to have 5 hits in 4 games in the same season
              Only player in the last 80 years to bat .300 or better for more than 16 seasons - Min. 500 PA
              Only player in the last 80 years to record over 425 TB in one season.

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              • #8
                Stan against some of the best...

                Warren Spahn vs. Stan Musial

                107 for 329 = .322 BA, .416 OBP,.584 SA, 54 BB, 29 SO, 192 Total bases in 107 games. Spahn vs. Musial included 61 runs, 23 doubles, 6 triples, 17 homers.

                How about against the franchise who dubbed him "The Man"?

                Code:
                Stan Musial vs all Dodger pitchers, 1946-1963
                
                Pitcher                AB   H 2B 3B HR  BB SO RBI    BA    OA    SA
                Bankhead, Dan           8   2  0  0  1   1  2   1  .250  .333  .625
                Banta, Jack             6   2  0  1  0   3  2   2  .333  .556  .667
                Barney, Rex            22   7  1  1  0   2  0   6  .318  .375  .455
                Behrman, Hank          23   9  1  0  2   2  0   5  .391  .440  .696
                Bessent, Don           10   3  1  0  0   2  1   1  .300  .417  .400
                Birrer, Babe            2   2  0  0  0   0  0   0 1.000 1.000 1.000
                Black, Joe             11   5  1  0  2   4  0   3  .455  .600 1.091
                Branca, Ralph          60  20  4  2  2   9  3   3  .333  .429  .567
                Calmus, Dick            1   0  0  0  0   0  1   0  .000  .000  .000
                Casey, Hugh            11   6  1  1  1   2  1   5  .545  .615 1.091
                Chandler, Ed            3   1  0  0  1   1  0   2  .333  .500 1.333
                Churn, Chuck            1   1  0  0  0   1  0   0 1.000 1.000 1.000
                Craig, Roger           50  17  2  0  2   7  3   7  .340  .414  .500
                Dockins, George         2   0  0  0  0   0  0   0  .000  .000  .000
                Drysdale, Don          68  22  4  0  1   5  6   5  .324  .360  .426
                Erskine, Carl         116  39 10  2  8  18  4  23  .336  .430  .664
                Farrell, Turk           2   1  0  0  0   0  0   0  .500  .500  .500
                Fowler, Art             3   0  0  0  0   0  0   0  .000  .000  .000
                Giallombardo, Bob       1   1  0  0  1   0  0   1 1.000 1.000 4.000
                Golden, Jim             1   0  0  0  0   1  0   0  .000  .500  .000
                Gregg, Hal             10   6  1  1  1   1  0   3  .600  .636 1.200
                Hatten, Joe            72  27 10  1  2  12  2  10  .375  .477  .625
                Haugstad, Phil          1   0  0  0  0   0  0   0  .000  .000  .000
                Head, Ed                2   2  0  1  0   0  0   1 1.000 1.000 2.000
                Herring, Art            4   1  0  0  0   0  0   0  .250  .250  .250
                Higbe, Kirby           12   2  1  0  0   3  1   1  .167  .333  .250
                Hughes, Jim            15   3  2  0  0   4  2   1  .200  .368  .333
                King, Clyde             9   1  0  0  0   5  0   0  .111  .429  .111
                Kipp, Fred              7   5  2  0  0   2  0   1  .714  .778 1.000
                Klippstein, Johnny      6   3  2  0  0   3  1   3  .500  .667  .833
                Koufax, Sandy          38  13  1  0  2   6  5   7  .342  .432  .526
                Labine, Clem           40   9  1  1  1   5  2   2  .225  .311  .375
                Landrum, Joe            2   1  1  0  0   0  0   0  .500  .500 1.000
                LaSorda, Tom            1   0  0  0  0   1  1   1  .000  .333  .000
                Lehman, Ken             7   2  0  0  1   1  0   2  .286  .375  .714
                Loes, Billy            14   7  2  0  1   5  0   4  .500  .632  .857
                Lombardi, Vic          33  12  0  4  1   4  1   4  .364  .432  .697
                Maglie, Sal             6   2  0  0  0   1  2   1  .333  .429  .333
                Martin, Morrie          4   0  0  0  0   0  1   0  .000  .000  .000
                McDevitt, Danny        13   4  0  0  0   3  1   1  .308  .438  .308
                McLish, Cal             1   1  0  0  0   0  0   0 1.000 1.000 1.000
                Melton, Rube            9   5  1  0  0   1  0   1  .556  .600  .667
                Meyer, Russ             9   2  0  0  0   3  0   0  .222  .417  .222
                Miller, Bob             9   4  0  0  1   0  0   1  .444  .444  .778
                Milliken, Bob          11   2  0  0  0   1  1   4  .182  .250  .182
                Minner, Paul           15   7  1  0  3   1  0   3  .467  .500 1.133
                Moore, Ray              2   1  0  0  1   0  0   2  .500  .500 2.000
                Mossor, Earl            1   0  0  0  0   0  1   0  .000  .000  .000
                Newcombe, Don         101  37  7  3  8   8  6  21  .366  .409  .733
                Ortega, Phil            1   0  0  0  0   0  0   0  .000  .000  .000
                Palica, Erv            21   9  2  2  1   6  0   8  .429  .556  .857
                Palmquist, Ed           1   0  0  0  0   1  0   0  .000  .500  .000
                Perranoski, Ron        12   6  2  0  0   3  0   5  .500  .600  .667
                Podbielan, Bud          6   3  0  0  0   4  0   1  .500  .700  .500
                Podres, Johnny        108  38  8  1  5  11  8  18  .352  .418  .583
                Ramsdell, Willie        0   0  0  0  0   1  0   0  .000 1.000  .000
                Richert, Pete           6   1  1  0  0   1  0   1  .167  .286  .333
                Roe, Preacher         137  52  9  1 12  13 13  28  .380  .433  .723
                Roebuck, Ed            20   5  0  0  2   4  0   5  .250  .400  .550
                Rowe, Ken               1   1  0  0  0   0  0   0 1.000 1.000 1.000
                Rutherford, Johnny      5   1  0  0  0   1  0   1  .200  .333  .200
                Schmitz, Johnny         4   1  0  1  0   2  0   1  .250  .500  .750
                Scott, Dick             2   0  0  0  0   0  0   0  .000  .000  .000
                Sherry, Larry          20   6  1  1  1   5  3   4  .300  .440  .600
                Snyder, Gene            2   0  0  0  0   0  0   0  .000  .000  .000
                Spooner, Karl          12   2  0  0  0   0  1   3  .167  .214  .167
                Taylor, Harry          18   3  1  0  0   3  1   0  .167  .286  .222
                Templeton, Chuck        4   2  0  0  0   1  0   1  .500  .571  .500
                VanCuyk, Johnny         0   0  0  0  0   1  0   0  .000 1.000  .000
                VanCuyk, Chris         20   6  2  0  0   4  3   1  .300  .417  .400
                Wade, Ben              18   5  1  0  2   4  1   6  .278  .409  .667
                Webber, Les             3   0  0  0  0   1  0   0  .000  .250  .000
                Williams, Stan         31   9  1  0  1   4  3   5  .290  .371  .419
                Wojey, Pete             1   0  0  0  0   0  0   0  .000  .000  .000
                
                Totals               1308 447 85 24 67 198 83 226  .342  .429  .597
                Much more biographical information to come!

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                • #9
                  Wait, is this Stan's own thread, or is it just to be a discussion of personal stories/anecdotes/biographical information? If so, apologies and I'll erase my previous posts....
                  Last edited by csh19792001; 07-10-2007, 04:43 PM.

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                  • #10
                    On salary and potential career moves...

                    Speaking of Cardinal management, arbitration, and salary offers. I read that in 1946, the infamous Pasquel brothers had started the Mexican League and were raiding the Majors. They offered Stan Musial a $130,000 dollar contract, including a $50,000 cash advance. The Cards management was notoriously cheap- often through no fault of their own due to being a small market team on the western frontier. At that point Stan was making $13,500 a year, but thankfully for us, he turned the offer down.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by csh19792001 View Post
                      Wait, is this Stan's own thread, or is it just to be a discussion of personal stories/anecdotes/biographical information? If so, apologies and I'll erase my previous posts....
                      I thought this was Stan's very own thread. If it is, it's about time.
                      Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                      • #12
                        "He didn't hit a homer in his last at-bat (like Ted Williams); he hit a single. He didn't hit in 56 straight games. He married his high school sweetheart and stayed married to her, never married a Marilyn Monroe (like Joe DiMaggio). He didn't play with the sheer joy and style that goes alongside Willie Mays' name. None of those easy things are there to associate with Stan Musial. All Musial represents is more than two decades of sustained excellence and complete decency as a human being." -Bob Costas


                        "[Musial] was never colorful, never much of an interview. He makes a better statue. What he was, was a ballplayer. He didn't spit at fans, he didn't get into fights in nightclubs, he didn't marry anybody famous. He hustled. You look at his career totals of doubles and triples, and they'll remind you of something that was accepted while he was active, and has been largely forgotten since: Stan Musial was one player who always left the batter's box on a dead run." -Bill James
                        Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
                          I've had a couple opportunities to meet Musial, and I would hardly call him mediocre. Next to Bobby Hull, the nicest athlete I have met at an autograph session. Honestly, LKF, what do you expect from an 85-year-old man?

                          First off Bobby Hull IS a very nice guy. Any hockey fans on BBF I would recommend meeting. As for Musial- he wasn't a jerk like Deion Sanders, or as nice as Paul Molitor (He gave me a FREE signed HOF 04 Ball right in front of me, because my jersey card he tried to sign for me wouldn't turn up), but Musial was nice enough to toss the ball up to me when he signed my ball.


                          HWR- I agree, Stan Musial does deserve his own thread. I have him #6 all time.

                          On Musial: “Here stands baseball's perfect warrior. Here stands baseball's perfect knight.”

                          — Ford C. Frick

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                          • #14
                            However much attention Stan receives on Fever, it always feels as if he is under-discussed, under-written, and under-valued.

                            I think he is 'too nice' to be a media-hog. Nice guys seem to fly under the radar. Seems one needs to be a little 'bad' to garner much attention. Great players such as Sisler, E. Collins, Gehrig, J. Foxx, Killebrew had that same problem in their time.

                            Lack of 'color', caused them to go under-written in their day.

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                            • #15
                              STLtoday.com published a great story on him on April 1 of this year; it's titled "Stan Musial: Still the Man." (Written by Derrick Goold)

                              A few great personal stories, insights, and summaries of his career, too. How about the birthday party?


                              [I couldn't attach it, but it's at STLtoday.com, searchable with the above info.]
                              Last edited by TRfromBR; 07-10-2007, 11:08 PM.

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