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  • #46
    --I think Oliver compares very well offensively to the top CF not in Cooperstown and he is better than some in Cooperstown. The problem with that is Oliver was not a very good defensive CF and gives up some to all of them (ALOT to some of them) in that area. As a 1B/LF his batting stats don't look quite as impressive. He wouldn't be the worst hall of famer by a long shot, but he would be quite clearly in the bottom tier. There are quite a few guys outside who would be closer to the middle of the Hall and at least one (Santo) who would clearly be in the upper half.

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    • #47
      Finally Al gets some love.

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      • #48
        Gotta agree that Oliver was shorted in his Hof case, and Freakshow is closer than Ruthbond: Oliver was about even with Manush, and much more 'like' him than Chili.
        Last edited by TomBodet; 10-12-2012, 07:31 PM.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by 538280 View Post

          Now, about the 2800 hits Harold Baines is almost certain to ruin that before Raffy does.

          But anyway, who cares if Oliver hit .300 four of his last five seasons? Is that any better than hitting .300 four of his first five seasons? Oliver peaked much later than most ballplayers, but that really doesn't mean anything. It doesn't matter if Oliver had his peak 20-23 or 35-38. Neither one is more impressive.

          And you have yet to face your toughest issues on the Oliver issue. All we ever hear is "2743 hits, .303 BA=HOF numbers!". Other players in baseball history who have numbers similar to those, as I showed before, have NOT been all inducted. Only two out of five have been. How about the fact Oliver could never take a walk and didn't have much power for a great OF/1B? You need to face these issues. In making a HOF case for someone you need to highlight their strengths, sure, but you also must face their weaknesses.
          This post was made in 2006.
          "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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