I remember maybe about a month ago I got in a debate with ElHalo and Myankee4life about the league quality of the game in the 1970s vs. the quality of the 1930s. I, presented what I think it the key evidence that the average player in the 1970s was WAY better, and gave reasons for why this is true. I also talked about the fact players in the 1970s didn't distance from the pack as much as 1930s players, and used this as a factor that suggested that the average player was indeed much better in the 1970s than 1930s.

But, ElHalo and Myankee basically came back by saying that the top level players in the 1970s just weren't any good, not nearly as good as the 1930s top level players.

About a week ago I remembered this and decided to do sort of a study on it. To me, "top level talent" would seem to indicate a player who was top 25 all time at his position. So, the question came how do I define a top 25 level player. I obvioiusly couldn't use my rankings, because then the other side would just claim they're biased. I decided to use Bill James' rankings, because I think most people think he isn't really biased towards one era or another. So, I made up a sort of chart to show top 25 players at each position according to Bill James who played a significant part of their career in the 1970s, and the 1930s. I would then compare. Here is the chart (numbers in parenthesis indicate where they are ranked):

For pitchers I'm just using the top 100

Looking at this chart, it would appear to me the 70s "win" catcher, 2B, 3B, LF, RF, and pitcher. The 30s "win" 1B, SS, CF. The 70s won more positons and won the positions much more handily.

Now, I realize of course that this is not a perfect way to look at the issue and that Bill James' rankings are really no more perfect than anyone else's. But, I would like to talk about this topic a bit.

But, ElHalo and Myankee basically came back by saying that the top level players in the 1970s just weren't any good, not nearly as good as the 1930s top level players.

About a week ago I remembered this and decided to do sort of a study on it. To me, "top level talent" would seem to indicate a player who was top 25 all time at his position. So, the question came how do I define a top 25 level player. I obvioiusly couldn't use my rankings, because then the other side would just claim they're biased. I decided to use Bill James' rankings, because I think most people think he isn't really biased towards one era or another. So, I made up a sort of chart to show top 25 players at each position according to Bill James who played a significant part of their career in the 1970s, and the 1930s. I would then compare. Here is the chart (numbers in parenthesis indicate where they are ranked):

**Catcher**__1970s-__Bench (2), Fisk (6), Carter (8), Simmons (10), Torre (11), Freehan (12), Munson (14), Porter (18), Boone (21), Tenace (23), McCarver (24)__1930s-__Cochrane (4), Dickey (7), Hartnett (9), Lombardi (22)**First Base**__1970s-__McCovey (9), Perez (13), Allen (15), Hernandez (16)__1930s-__Gehrig (1), Foxx (2), Greenberg (9)**Second Base**__1970s-__Morgan (1), Carew (9), Grich (12), Lopes (23)__1930s-__Gehringer (8), Herman (14), Lazzeri (19), Myer (24)**Third Base**__1970s-__Schmidt (1), Brett (2), Robinson (7), Evans (10), Bando (11), Nettles (13), Cey (16), Bell (19)__1930s-__Hack (9), Traynor (15)**Shortstop****1970s-**Yount (4), Fregosi (15), Campaneris (25)__1930s-__Vaughan (2), Cronin (8), Appling (11)**Left Field**__1970s-__Yastrzemski (5), Stargell (9), BWilliams (11), Brock (15), White (25)__1930s__-Simmons (7), Medwick (13, Goslin (16)**Center Field**__1970s-__Wynn (10), Lynn (17), Pinson (18), Cedeno (21), Otis (22)__1930s-__DiMaggio (5), Berger (13), Averill (14), Wilson (19)**Right Field**(I'll leave out Aaron/Robinson just so no one says I'm unfair)__1970s-__Rose (5), RJackson (7), Winfield (13), Parker (14), BoBonds (15), Murcer (17), Singleton (18), RSmith (20), Oliva (21), Evans (22), Staub (24)__1930s-__Ott (4), Waner (9)For pitchers I'm just using the top 100

**Pitchers**__1970s-__Seaver (6), Carlton (15), Palmer (17), Perry (18), Jenkins (23), Ryan (24), Niekro (26), Gossage (37), Blyleven (39), Tiant (52), John (63), Hunter (64), Kaat (65), Guidry (66), Lolich (72), Reuschel (81), Blue (86)__1930s-__Grove (2), Hubbell (13), Ferrell (40), Lyons (43), Warneke (44), Ruffing (51), Gomez (67), Walters (69), Bridges (77), Hoyt (78), Harder (92),Looking at this chart, it would appear to me the 70s "win" catcher, 2B, 3B, LF, RF, and pitcher. The 30s "win" 1B, SS, CF. The 70s won more positons and won the positions much more handily.

Now, I realize of course that this is not a perfect way to look at the issue and that Bill James' rankings are really no more perfect than anyone else's. But, I would like to talk about this topic a bit.

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