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    Let's have some fun! If you could create a team of players using their best single season statistics, what would your lineup look like?

    When you list your lineups, please refer to the specific single season of each player. You can list their stats if you want. You can have a DH if you want. For pitchers, I'd like to see at least one starter and a reliever.

    I have a lineup that I think would be hard to argue with, but I wanna see others first.
    Red, it took me 16 years to get here. Play me, and you'll get the best I got.

  • #2
    Dang, that's gonna be tough, might take a little time.

    How many bench guys, like 4 or 5?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
      Dang, that's gonna be tough, might take a little time.

      How many bench guys, like 4 or 5?
      Really, it's up to you. If you want to take the time to make out a 25 or 30 man roster, that's up to you. All I was originally requesting was a 9-man lineup, one at each position, preferably with a DH, and a starter and reliever.
      Last edited by torez77; 02-16-2006, 11:10 PM.
      Red, it took me 16 years to get here. Play me, and you'll get the best I got.

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      • #4
        Off the top of my head...

        C - Piazza '97
        1B - Gehrig '27 '30 '34 or '36...can't decide
        2B - Hornsby - '22
        3b - Schmidt - '80
        SS - Wagner - '08
        LF - Musial '48 or Ted Williams '41
        CF - Cobb '11 or Mantle '56
        RF - Ruth '20 or '21
        DH - Edgar Martinez '95 or Big Papi '04 or '05

        SP (pitching only) Pedro '00 or Walter Johnson '13
        RP - Gagne '03

        I also wanted to include Hack Wilson '30, Al Simmons '30, and Chuck Klein '30 but not sure what part of the outfield they played.
        Last edited by GiambiJuice; 02-17-2006, 12:52 AM.
        My top 10 players:

        1. Babe Ruth
        2. Barry Bonds
        3. Ty Cobb
        4. Ted Williams
        5. Willie Mays
        6. Alex Rodriguez
        7. Hank Aaron
        8. Honus Wagner
        9. Lou Gehrig
        10. Mickey Mantle

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        • #5
          LINEUP

          1911Cobb - LF
          1908Wagner - SS
          1921Ruth - RF
          1954Mays - CF
          1927Gehrig - 1B
          1981Schmidt - 3B
          1976Morgan - 2B
          1970Bench - C


          BENCH

          1923Speaker (.380 BA / .469 OBP / .610 SLG) (218 H / 59 2B / 11 3B / 17 HR) (133 R / 130 RBI) (93 BB / 15 K) (182 OPS+)

          1956Mantle (.353 BA / .464 OBP / .705 SLG) (52 HR / 133 R / 130 RBI) (210 OPS+)

          1948Musial (.376 BA / .450 OBP / .702 SLG) (230 H / 46 2B / 18 3B / 39 HR)(135 R / 131 RBI) (200 OPS+)

          1939DiMaggio (.381 BA / .448 OBP / .671 SLG) (32 2B / 6 3B / 30 HR)(108 R / 126 RBI) (185 OPS+ / 12.30 RC/27)


          STARTER

          1913Walter Johnson (36-7) (29 CG / 11 SHO) (243 K / 38 BB)(1.14 ERA / 259+ ERA)

          CLOSER

          1992Dennis Eckersley (7-1) (51 Saves) (93 K / 11 BB / 1 HBP)(1.91 ERA / 196+ ERA)


          MANAGERS

          Mack
          LaRussa
          Mazzone
          Last edited by Sultan_1895-1948; 02-18-2006, 01:22 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GiambiJuice
            I also wanted to include Hack Wilson '30, Al Simmons '30, and Chuck Klein '30 but not sure what part of the outfield they played.
            total baseball lists outfield position for each player in parenthesis (lf-cf-rf)
            wilson(0-155-0)
            simmons (129-7-0)
            klein (0-0-156)

            ruth played lf in 1921
            musial played (41-64-76) in 1948
            Last edited by Brian McKenna; 02-17-2006, 06:39 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
              LINEUP

              1911Cobb - LF
              1900Wagner - SS
              1921Ruth - RF
              1954Mays - CF
              1927Gehrig - 1B
              1981Schmidt - 3B
              1976Morgan - 2B
              1970Bench - C


              BENCH

              1923Speaker (.380 BA / .469 OBP / .610 SLG) (218 H / 59 2B / 11 3B / 17 HR) (133 R / 130 RBI) (93 BB / 15 K) (182 OPS+)

              1956Mantle (.353 BA / .464 OBP / .705 SLG) (52 HR / 133 R / 130 RBI) (210 OPS+)

              1948Musial (.376 BA / .450 OBP / .702 SLG) (230 H / 46 2B / 18 3B / 39 HR)(135 R / 131 RBI) (200 OPS+)

              1939DiMaggio (.381 BA / .448 OBP / .671 SLG) (32 2B / 6 3B / 30 HR)(108 R / 126 RBI) (185 OPS+ / 12.30 RC/27)


              STARTER

              1913Walter Johnson (36-7) (29 CG / 11 SHO) (243 K / 38 BB)(1.14 ERA / 259+ ERA)

              CLOSER

              1992Dennis Eckersley (7-1) (51 Saves) (93 K / 11 BB / 1 HBP)(1.91 ERA / 196+ ERA)


              MANAGERS

              Mack
              LaRussa
              Mazzone
              Sultan,

              Why not Honus' 1908 season? He had had 59 win shares that year.
              Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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              • #8
                Originally posted by bkmckenna
                total baseball lists outfield position for each player in parenthesis (lf-cf-rf)
                wilson(0-155-0)
                simmons (129-7-0)
                klein (0-0-156)

                ruth played lf in 1921
                musial played (41-64-76) in 1948
                Thanks for the info Bk. Now that I think about it. I don't think it's important whether we put Ruth in Left or right, or musial in LF, CF, or RF. we should probably just pick the one that best suits our needs. Even Dimaggio moved to left eventually. I'm trying to picture Hack Wilson in centerfield, and it cracks me up. Was that big galoot actually a good centerfielder?
                My top 10 players:

                1. Babe Ruth
                2. Barry Bonds
                3. Ty Cobb
                4. Ted Williams
                5. Willie Mays
                6. Alex Rodriguez
                7. Hank Aaron
                8. Honus Wagner
                9. Lou Gehrig
                10. Mickey Mantle

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GiambiJuice
                  DH - Edgar Martinez '95 or Big Papi '04 or '05
                  I want to clarify that your DH can be ANYBODY. It doesn't have to be someone who was a DH for most of his career.
                  Red, it took me 16 years to get here. Play me, and you'll get the best I got.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
                    [1992Dennis Eckersley (7-1) (51 Saves) (93 K / 11 BB / 1 HBP)(1.91 ERA / 196+ ERA)
                    Pretty formidable lineup Sultan. Wouldn't you rather have Eck's 1990 season (0.61 ERA/605 ERA+) rather than '92? Some people say '92 was his best cuz he won both the CYA and MVP, but statistically '90 is clearly his best IMO.
                    Red, it took me 16 years to get here. Play me, and you'll get the best I got.

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                    • #11
                      My list:

                      C- Piazza 1997
                      1B-Lou Gehrig 1927
                      2B Joe Morgan 1976
                      SS-Honus Wagner 1908
                      3B-Gerge Brett 1980
                      LF-Barry Bonds 2001
                      CF-Michey Mantle 1956
                      RF-Babe Ruth pick 'em
                      DH-Rogers Hornsby 1922

                      SP-Walter Johnson 1913
                      SP-Roger Clemens 1997
                      SP-Greg Maddux 1999
                      SP-Sandy Koufax 1965
                      SP-Pedro Martinez 2000

                      RP-Mariano Rivera 2005
                      RP-Dennis Eckersly 1990
                      RP-Eric Gagne 2003
                      RP-Trevor Hoffman 1998
                      RP-Billy Wagner 1999
                      Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 02-17-2006, 10:11 AM.
                      Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by torez77
                        I want to clarify that your DH can be ANYBODY. It doesn't have to be someone who was a DH for most of his career.
                        OK, in that case I'll take Bagwell '94 and his .750 slugging. If you look at his numbers over 162 games, it's absolutely mind-boggling.

                        I'm purposely discounting Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa (i know, i know, nothing's been "proven" yet). Otherwise it would be impossible to exclude one of Barry's '01 thru '04 seasons.
                        My top 10 players:

                        1. Babe Ruth
                        2. Barry Bonds
                        3. Ty Cobb
                        4. Ted Williams
                        5. Willie Mays
                        6. Alex Rodriguez
                        7. Hank Aaron
                        8. Honus Wagner
                        9. Lou Gehrig
                        10. Mickey Mantle

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                        • #13
                          Are we supposed to factor defense into the equation? Otherwise I can't see any logic in choosing Mays '54 over Mantle '56.
                          My top 10 players:

                          1. Babe Ruth
                          2. Barry Bonds
                          3. Ty Cobb
                          4. Ted Williams
                          5. Willie Mays
                          6. Alex Rodriguez
                          7. Hank Aaron
                          8. Honus Wagner
                          9. Lou Gehrig
                          10. Mickey Mantle

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules
                            Sultan,

                            Why not Honus' 1908 season? He had had 59 win shares that year.
                            Ahh, win shares, shmin shares.

                            I know what you're saying, I prefer 1900 though.

                            1900 - 107 R - 45 2B - 22 3B - .381 BA - .434 OBP - .573 SA - 10.55 RC/27 - .965 FP (.940 lgFP)

                            1908 - 100 R - 39 2B - 19 3B - .354 BA - .415 OBP - .542 SA - 8.93 RC/27 - .943 FP (.930 lgFP)

                            I know RC/27 has flaws, and his OPS+ was higher (205/175) in '08, but that's comparing him to everyone else, not really looking at what he actually did. The win shares thing is nice, I'm not sure how many he had in '00, but my guess is that it's so high because of his 15 more SB's in '08, and that probably factors in OPS+ right?

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                            • #15
                              --SB are not part of OPS+. That is just OPS adjusted for league OPS and also park factors. The reason Wagner's OPS+ (and WS and any league context adjusted metric) is so much higher in 1908 is because there were many fewer runs scored in 1908 than 1900. Hits and runs were harder to come by and thus more valuable. OTOH, the NL was probably a much better league in 1900 than it was in 1908, so which season is really more impressive is debatable (I lean toward 1908).

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