Announcement

Collapse

Updated Baseball Fever Policy

Baseball Fever Policy

I. Purpose of this announcement:

This announcement describes the policies pertaining to the operation of Baseball Fever.

Baseball Fever is a moderated baseball message board which encourages and facilitates research and information exchange among fans of our national pastime. The intent of the Baseball Fever Policy is to ensure that Baseball Fever remains an extremely high quality, extremely low "noise" environment.

Baseball Fever is administrated by three principal administrators:
webmaster - Baseball Fever Owner
The Commissioner - Baseball Fever Administrator
Macker - Baseball Fever Administrator

And a group of forum specific super moderators. The role of the moderator is to keep Baseball Fever smoothly and to screen posts for compliance with our policy. The moderators are ALL volunteer positions, so please be patient and understanding of any delays you might experience in correspondence.

II. Comments about our policy:

Any suggestions on this policy may be made directly to the webmaster.

III. Acknowledgments:

This document was based on a similar policy used by SABR.

IV. Requirements for participation on Baseball Fever:

Participation on Baseball Fever is available to all baseball fans with a valid email address, as verified by the forum's automated system, which then in turn creates a single validated account. Multiple accounts by a single user are prohibited.

By registering, you agree to adhere to the policies outlined in this document and to conduct yourself accordingly. Abuse of the forum, by repeated failure to abide by these policies, will result in your access being blocked to the forum entirely.

V. Baseball Fever Netiquette:

Participants at Baseball Fever are required to adhere to these principles, which are outlined in this section.
a. All posts to Baseball Fever should be written in clear, concise English, with proper grammar and accurate spelling. The use of abbreviations should be kept to a minimum; when abbreviation is necessary, they should be either well-known (such as etc.), or explained on their first use in your post.

b. Conciseness is a key attribute of a good post.

c. Quote only the portion of a post to which you are responding.

d. Standard capitalization and punctuation make a large difference in the readability of a post. TYPING IN ALL CAPITALS is considered to be "shouting"; it is a good practice to limit use of all capitals to words which you wish to emphasize.

e. It is our policy NOT to transmit any defamatory or illegal materials.

f. Personal attacks of any type against Baseball Fever readers will not be tolerated. In these instances the post will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the personal attack via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who choose to not listen and continue personal attacks will be banned from the site.

g. It is important to remember that many contextual clues available in face-to-face discussion, such as tone of voice and facial expression, are lost in the electronic forum. As a poster, try to be alert for phrasing that might be misinterpreted by your audience to be offensive; as a reader, remember to give the benefit of the doubt and not to take umbrage too easily. There are many instances in which a particular choice of words or phrasing can come across as being a personal attack where none was intended.

h. The netiquette described above (a-g) often uses the term "posts", but applies equally to Private Messages.

VI. Baseball Fever User Signature Policy

A signature is a piece of text that some members may care to have inserted at the end of ALL of their posts, a little like the closing of a letter. You can set and / or change your signature by editing your profile in the UserCP. Since it is visible on ALL your posts, the following policy must be adhered to:

Signature Composition
Font size limit: No larger than size 2 (This policy is a size 2)
Style: Bold and italics are permissible
Character limit: No more than 500 total characters
Lines: No more than 4 lines
Colors: Most colors are permissible, but those which are hard to discern against the gray background (yellow, white, pale gray) should be avoided
Images/Graphics: Allowed, but nothing larger than 20k and Content rules must be followed

Signature Content
No advertising is permitted
Nothing political or religious
Nothing obscene, vulgar, defamatory or derogatory
Links to personal blogs/websites are permissible - with the webmaster's written consent
A Link to your Baseball Fever Blog does not require written consent and is recommended
Quotes must be attributed. Non-baseball quotes are permissible as long as they are not religious or political

Please adhere to these rules when you create your signature. Failure to do so will result in a request to comply by a moderator. If you do not comply within a reasonable amount of time, the signature will be removed and / or edited by an Administrator. Baseball Fever reserves the right to edit and / or remove any or all of your signature line at any time without contacting the account holder.

VII. Appropriate and inappropriate topics for Baseball Fever:

Most concisely, the test for whether a post is appropriate for Baseball Fever is: "Does this message discuss our national pastime in an interesting manner?" This post can be direct or indirect: posing a question, asking for assistance, providing raw data or citations, or discussing and constructively critiquing existing posts. In general, a broad interpretation of "baseball related" is used.

Baseball Fever is not a promotional environment. Advertising of products, web sites, etc., whether for profit or not-for-profit, is not permitted. At the webmaster's discretion, brief one-time announcements for products or services of legitimate baseball interest and usefulness may be allowed. If advertising is posted to the site it will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the post via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who choose to not listen and continue advertising will be banned from the site. If the advertising is spam-related, pornography-based, or a "visit-my-site" type post / private message, no warning at all will be provided, and the member will be banned immediately without a warning.

It is considered appropriate to post a URL to a page which specifically and directly answers a question posted on the list (for example, it would be permissible to post a link to a page containing home-road splits, even on a site which has advertising or other commercial content; however, it would not be appropriate to post the URL of the main page of the site). The site reserves the right to limit the frequency of such announcements by any individual or group.

In keeping with our test for a proper topic, posting to Baseball Fever should be treated as if you truly do care. This includes posting information that is, to the best of your knowledge, complete and accurate at the time you post. Any errors or ambiguities you catch later should be acknowledged and corrected in the thread, since Baseball Fever is sometimes considered to be a valuable reference for research information.

VIII. Role of the moderator:

When a post is submitted to Baseball Fever, it is forwarded by the server automatically and seen immediately. The moderator may:
a. Leave the thread exactly like it was submitted. This is the case 95% of the time.

b. Immediately delete the thread as inappropriate for Baseball Fever. Examples include advertising, personal attacks, or spam. This is the case 1% of the time.

c. Move the thread. If a member makes a post about the Marlins in the Yankees forum it will be moved to the appropriate forum. This is the case 3% of the time.

d. Edit the message due to an inappropriate item. This is the case 1% of the time. There have been new users who will make a wonderful post, then add to their signature line (where your name / handle appears) a tagline that is a pure advertisement. This tagline will be removed, a note will be left in the message so he/she is aware of the edit, and personal contact will be made to the poster telling them what has been edited and what actions need to be taken to prevent further edits.

The moderators perform no checks on posts to verify factual or logical accuracy. While he/she may point out gross errors in factual data in replies to the thread, the moderator does not act as an "accuracy" editor. Also moderation is not a vehicle for censorship of individuals and/or opinions, and the moderator's decisions should not be taken personally.

IX. Legal aspects of participation in Baseball Fever:

By submitting a post to Baseball Fever, you grant Baseball Fever permission to distribute your message to the forum. Other rights pertaining to the post remain with the ORIGINAL author, and you may not redistribute or retransmit any posts by any others, in whole or in part, without the express consent of the original author.

The messages appearing on Baseball Fever contain the opinions and views of their respective authors and are not necessarily those of Baseball Fever, or of the Baseball Almanac family of sites.

Sincerely,

Sean Holtz, Webmaster of Baseball Almanac & Baseball Fever
www.baseball-almanac.com | www.baseball-fever.com
"Baseball Almanac: Sharing Baseball. Sharing History."
See more
See less

2017 BBF Top 100Position Players #26-30

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #31
    Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

    Because you think it's unreliable, why does that mean that it rates Jeter worse than he is? Maybe it rates him better than he is.

    you just made my point
    This week's Giant

    #5 in games played as a Giant with 1721 , Bill Terry

    Comment


    • #32
      Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

      you just made my point
      Go to Youtube and watch a highlight video of Derek Jeter, then watch a video of someone like Andrelton Simmons or Adam Everett after you get done. Derek Jeter had very little range... a lot of his "highlight" plays are much more difficult than they need to be. That lack of range cost his teams a lot of runs over the years, which plays a major role in the overall evaluation of a player.
      Rest in Peace Jose Fernandez (1992-2016)

      Comment


      • #33
        Jeter rates as an awful fielder across every metric. That's what makes it. If there was enough disagreement, there'd be more reason for skepticism. Modern stats like UZR and DRS could hardly be called extremely unreliable. The evidence is too abundant to regard him as anything but beyond poor, except on Planet De Nyle.
        Last edited by AstrosFan; 06-18-2017, 10:02 PM.
        "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

        - Alvin Dark

        Comment


        • #34
          Sorry,but Ripken is also extremely overrated by some people here. I respect what he accomplished, but just because he could set that record didnt mean he didn't hurt his team when playing at not 100%.
          “There can be no higher law in journalism than to tell the truth and to shame the devil.” Walter Lippmann

          "Fill in any figure you want for that boy [Mantle]. Whatever the figure, it's a deal." - Branch Rickey

          Comment


          • #35
            [QUOTE=JR Hart;n3429012]
            Originally posted by willshad View Post

            Defensive analysis is extremely unreliable. Jeter was the better player, a much better hitter.
            How was Jeter a much better hitter? He hit for higher average and was more consistent( and probably aged better), but, through Jeter's number of games played Ripken carried a 114 OPS+, nearly identical to Jeter's 115 mark. As hitters they're basically a wash...the difference is in defense.

            Comment


            • #36
              1. Joe Morgan
              2. Eddie Mathews
              3. Ken Griffey, Jr.
              4. George Brett
              5. Yogi Berra

              I think: Yaz, and the RFers (Reggie, Kaline, Clemente, Crawford) along with Ripken, Lloyd, Jackie Robinson should be on my next lists.

              Comment


              • #37
                1 Morgan
                2 Mathews
                3 Thomas
                4 Brett
                5 Yastrzemski
                Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

                Comment


                • #38
                  Regarding the comparison of Ripken and Jeter as hitters, Sultan's rrOPS+ studies show Cal as a 122 versus a raw 112, yielding ~15 wins. Derek jumps to a 120 versus a raw 115, adding ~1.5 wins. For Baseball-Reference contextual hitting, Jeter nets a +11.3 RE24 wins and -1.4 clutch, while Ripken is at -5.1 RE24 and 4.0 clutch.
                  Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
                  http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

                  Comment


                  • #39
                    Just a thought. I wouldn't mind having either one of them on my team. I'd let you have first choice and be happy with whichever one I get. One was a first ballot HOF. The other will be. As for who was better, it can be debated ad infinitum and I don't think you'll change anyone's minds.
                    27 World Championships
                    22 retired numbers
                    Isn't it great to be a Yankee fan?

                    Comment


                    • #40
                      Mike Piazza
                      Joe Morgan
                      Eddie Mathews
                      Cal Ripken
                      Cap Anson
                      Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
                      http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

                      Comment


                      • #41
                        Mid-Week update. We are back on track for a Friday deadline again.

                        Guys with 8 or more:

                        Mathews - 45
                        Morgan - 40
                        Griffey - 19
                        Piazza - 15
                        Brett - 13
                        Anson - 13
                        Clemente - 12
                        Berra - 11
                        Ripken - 10
                        Brouthers - 9
                        J. Jackson - 8
                        Rose - 8
                        1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

                        1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

                        1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


                        The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
                        The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

                        Comment


                        • #42
                          26. Joe Morgan
                          27. Mike Trout
                          28. Roberto Clemente
                          29. Eddie Mathews
                          30. Cal Ripken Jr.
                          Rest in Peace Jose Fernandez (1992-2016)

                          Comment


                          • #43
                            17 votes. Not bad given there are 3 days left. I was worried that we wouldn't recover from the shut-downs and revamp.
                            1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

                            1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

                            1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


                            The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
                            The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

                            Comment


                            • #44
                              Mike Trout- he certainly has one of the 30 greatest 5 year peaks, probably among the top 20. BUT, there's nothing else. Not his fault of course, but I just don't see ranking him among the top 25 or 30 at this point. If he broke his back tomorrow or for some bizarre reason became a .220 popcorn hitter for the rest of his career, I doubt that he'd be ranked top 25 or 30. But, that's the same as where he's at today. He's a great great player who's certainly on a path for top 20 or higher, but....

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                Originally posted by BigRon View Post
                                Mike Trout- he certainly has one of the 30 greatest 5 year peaks, probably among the top 20. BUT, there's nothing else. Not his fault of course, but I just don't see ranking him among the top 25 or 30 at this point. If he broke his back tomorrow or for some bizarre reason became a .220 popcorn hitter for the rest of his career, I doubt that he'd be ranked top 25 or 30. But, that's the same as where he's at today. He's a great great player who's certainly on a path for top 20 or higher, but....
                                exactly...I wouldn't even rank an active guy in the top fifty unless he's played at least ten seasons or so. Too much can happen to ruin a career overnight.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X