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  • CTaka
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    Collins was the best defensive 3rd baseman until HR Baker, Baker until Pie Traynor, Traynor until Brooks Robinson..and so far Robinson hasn't been surpassed[/QUOTE]

    I don't agree with this. Defensively, you could make an argument that Baker, Traynor, or even Brooks ever surpassed Collins in the field.

    I have Collins as a top ten 3B. I'd guess that for most people, whether he is in or out of their top ten depends on how much emphasis they place on defense. I probably give him a bigger edge here than some others because of how critical 3B was defensively during the bunt-happy era he played in.

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  • leecemark
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    --Baker was a pretty good defensive 3B. He wasn't an all timer though. Now if we are talking about the best all around 3B, then Baker would have easily surpassed Collins and held the top spot until Eddie Mathews had most of his career in the books.

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  • Wee Willie
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    Originally posted by Imapotato
    Collins was the best defensive 3rd baseman until HR Baker, Baker until Pie Traynor, Traynor until Brooks Robinson..and so far Robinson hasn't been surpassed
    Strongly disagree about Baker being better defensively than Collins. Collins has both the statistical and opinion edge over Frank. I'd put Collins over Traynor defensively as well.

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  • Imapotato
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    He was also a manager...which is a reason his offensive production was not as high as it could be...take a look at any player/manager in the early years...their baseball skills go down because they were typically MGR/GM rolled into one

    Collins was the best defensive 3rd baseman until HR Baker, Baker until Pie Traynor, Traynor until Brooks Robinson..and so far Robinson hasn't been surpassed

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  • 538280
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    Jimmy Collins

    Jimmy Collins is a player who I really don't see much talk about on here, but I think is a truly special player, probably top 10 3B and top 100 all time.

    The main premise behind this, of course, is the spectrum jump. Collins was a very good hitter, but his raw hitting numbers don't match up to lots of other 3B like Darrell Evans and Graig Nettles, but he was playing a defensive position, much like 2B today. This also positively affects his fielding, of course. I think Collins was probably the best fielding 3B of all time. He may have been not quite as great over his peers as Brooks Robinson, but 3B in his time was more important defensively and he has more defensive value than Robinson.

    Collins was an innovator of how to play the position of third base as well. He revolutionived how to charge bunts from the position. He changed the game for years to come.

    He played another important contributor rule as one of the true stars of the fledling Boston Americans, the upstart AL champions. The league obviously needed a legit star on their championship team. With Collins and Cy Young that had that. Both of those players were already established NL stars before they moved to the new league.

    You also have to remeber he played in a shorter schedule during his peak years, in the new American League.

    Overall, I'm very impressed with Jimmy Collins. A very underrated player IMO. I'm interested to see what others think.

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