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    When I first arrived here at BBF I had many "set" opinions. But given the quality of posters here and the many sound, well reasoned arguments I've decided to revist two "set" views:

    1) Joe Morgan vs Rogers Hornsby
    I'm a staunch Morganite but I an starting to see the Hornsby argument. Hitting .400 over with power over a five year period is Though I still have issues with Hornsby's defense and the lack of talent in the NL of the 1920s.

    2) Is Cobb the greatest player ever?
    Bill has presented a well reasoned and thorough argument for Cobb. Though I still have issues with Cobb's lack of league leading stats in the 1920s and his refusal to hit HRs.

    I am going to do some long term thorough research to look further into these issues. I'd like to thank Bill Burgess, ElHalo, csh19792001, 538280, SABR Matt, Sultan_1895-1948, leecemark, and everyone else for your posts. I've learned so much and have increased my baseball knowledge and appreciation.

    Has anyone else changes some views because of BBF?
    Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 02-18-2006, 03:29 PM. Reason: typo
    Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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    One player who I've gotten a new resepect for from BBF is Randy Johnson. I've never like him as a player, and I still don't, but other members here have really made me realize that he is indeed one of the greatest pitchers to ever play the game. I never used to think of him as a top 20, or even top 40, pitcher, but now I have him around 15th, mostly due to others encouraging me to take a closer look at him.

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    • #3
      BF has changed my mind on the value of RBI as a measure of hitter effectiveness. (I used to consider RBI the most important of all hitting metrics.)

      I now understand that most RBI occur with RISP -- and the hitter with the RBI has very little to do with getting runners on base ahead of him.
      Luke

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      • #4
        I definitely have a better understanding of and appreciation for era adjustments, and the more advanced statistics.

        I've also gotten many history lessons, especially from Bill.

        I appreciate y'all. It's a blast chatting with you here. I love this stuff!
        Last edited by torez77; 02-25-2006, 05:26 PM.
        Red, it took me 16 years to get here. Play me, and you'll get the best I got.

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        • #5
          I've learned more about some individual players through the various discussions I've been involved in. Some quick examples would be how Dobie Moore made a living playing baseball for quite some time for the 25th Infantry, and the high quality of ball that group played: the home/road splits of Chuck Klein and Jimmy Wynn; and how good Dick Allen was at his best.

          Jim Albright
          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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          • #6
            My knowledge of Negro and Japanese League players has increased tenfold.
            Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
            Joe Gary MCA Emanuel Sonny Dave Earl Stan
            Jonathan Neil Roger Anthony Ray Thomas Art Don
            Gates Philip John Warrior Rik Casey Tony Horace
            Robin Bill Ernie JEDI

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            • #7
              Because of this site, and the History forum to be specific, I now have my top 20 by position database on my desktop, where it is constantly tweeked and updated based on members' opinions and arguments. This site is the second one I visit every day, right after my email. I enjoy the jousting, the posting and even the arguing immensely, and I'd also like to thank everyone here for giving me something to do with my baseball thirst!

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              • #8
                I saw a post comparing Al Kaline to Roberto Clemente. Before attacking the guy for comparing Clemente to a hack like Kaline, I decided to look up Kaline's numbers. I still think Clemente's better, but it was closer than I thought.

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                • #9
                  Although i don't post much on this board, i mainly enjoy reading the threads, my knowledge of the game and increased dramatically.
                  Baseball Fever's 2000 member..

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                  • #10
                    Changed my mind? Absolutely. At least what I have left of my mind considering my job these days.

                    I frequent these boards for several reasons:

                    1) I love baseball.
                    2) I love to talk baseball.
                    3) I love to read baseball.
                    4) I enjoy BBF for the relaxation and ability to allow me to 'kick back'.
                    5) Last, but certainly not least, I find BBF to be very educational. And with an open mind, a willingness to accept that my beliefs could be wrong, I learn more, accept input better, try to be objective, and as a result, am better educated in baseball.

                    Thank you to all who post. I may not always agree with you but I do respect your posts and opinions.

                    Yankees Fan Since 1957

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                    • #11
                      Where to start. When I got here, I knew there had to be some valid way of comparing 1894/1930/1987/post-1993 numbers with 1908/1968 type seasons. Relative stats may not be fully mature yet but I appreciate the efforts they make to compare apples with apples. I appreciate all the defensive stuff Matt has sent my way.
                      Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
                      Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules

                        Has anyone else changes some views because of BBF?
                        Not yet, but I am considering some things.
                        I have received a ton of info since finding this fantastic site with a wealth of knowledgeable people. Thanks to all.
                        1968 and 1984, the greatest ever.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules

                          2) Is Cobb the greatest player ever?
                          Bill has presented a well reasoned and thorough argument for Cobb. Though I still have issues with Cobb's lack of league leading stats in the 1920s and his refusal to hit HRs.
                          refusal to hit HRs?? Cobb led the Majors in HRs in 1909!!!
                          1968 and 1984, the greatest ever.

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                          • #14
                            I learned alot of people here 'cradle' to their own personal stat to judge players, which I do not like at all

                            But I also realized there are a group of people like myself, (Bill, who has been an ally on many discussions, Digglahh and others) who aprreciate the things you get from watching a game...some think Maranville and Hafey do belong in the HOF (they do!)

                            And that there are some stats that backup that claim

                            But I also hope that I have passed on some knowledge of the human aspect of baseball, especially the early years which is my forte and my real true love

                            I also have learned alot from the older guys here about 40's, 50's 60's baseball...which is an era I don't quite have great expertise in

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Imapotato
                              I learned alot of people here 'cradle' to their own personal stat to judge players, which I do not like at all
                              And which you would NEVER do

                              <some think Maranville and Hafey do belong in the HOF (they do!)>

                              So you must be 'cradling' to some rate stat for Hafey?
                              Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
                              Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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