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  • #46
    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

    Same. Last time I checked I don't think he was in my top 7 or 8 second basemen.
    That's crazy. He's no worst than third. The top 3 have always been Collins, Morgan and Hornsby, and they are all very close.
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    • #47
      Where have all of you been? (smiley face inserted here if possible) Bluesky has made MANY MANY posts over the years bout why he is so low on Collins. Not saying right or wrong, but I can't believe that anyone has missed it. I mean blueksy...loves Griffey, loves Glasscock. Not too big on Collins. Obsessed with players from the 80's. All the 80's. 1880's AND the 1980s, but "eh" about everyone inbetween. You know...bluesky.

      He knows I am just having fun with him. I am very glad he is back posting again more frequently.
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      • #48
        Heck B.A. I almost forgot about old Pebbly Jack. Collins's skill set stands out like a sore thumb on these lists. He has no power to speak of. He's Wee Willie Keeler playing second base with the benefit of the live ball to drag him out of a 4 year slump and amass counting stats and gaudy averages. He might not even be as good as Keeler.

        Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

        Same. Last time I checked I don't think he was in my top 7 or 8 second basemen.
        I have him right around there too.
        Last edited by bluesky5; 06-09-2018, 08:35 PM.
        "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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        • #49
          Originally posted by willshad View Post
          I know it's an unpopular stance, but I feel that Mike Piazza deserves top 20 mention. With new data suggesting that he was excellent at framing, and really was pretty good defensively besides his throwing arm, combined with his hitting, is hard to beat. He is sort of the Hornsby of catchers, relative to position.
          I have Piazza at 19.

          There is a reason catchers are rarely among offensive leaders. Sure, they play a defense-first position, but other reasons are split focus, along with the gnagging injuries they play through day in and day out. The strained muscles, the bruises from foul tips, jammed fingers, etc.

          I give him platoon credit and we know based on rrOPS+ that his top 10 seasons are right up there with some historically great hitters. Sprinkle in the facts that he was affected by playing in leagues full of juicers (no evidence has ever surfaced about him using) which impacted his OPS+ further, and that he faced specialized relief that prior eras players didn't, it's difficult NOT to put him top 20.

          "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post

            I give him platoon credit and we know based on rrOPS+ that his top 10 seasons are right up there with some historically great hitters. Sprinkle in the facts that he was affected by playing in leagues full of juicers (no evidence has ever surfaced about him using) which impacted his OPS+ further, and that he faced specialized relief that prior eras players didn't, it's difficult NOT to put him top 20.
            Yep, Piazza played his entire career in pitchers parks, which suppressed his offensive numbers. He is truly one of the greatest hitters ever, regardless of defensive position.

            With a minimum of 3,000 PA on the road, Piazza is:

            #6 all time in SLG (.572)
            #23 in BA (.320)
            #10 in OPS (.960)


            .320 BA, 200+ HR, on the road:

            Ruth
            Gehrig
            Williams
            DiMaggio
            Musial
            Piazza
            Last edited by GiambiJuice; 06-13-2018, 06:17 PM.
            My top 10 players:

            1. Babe Ruth
            2. Barry Bonds
            3. Ty Cobb
            4. Ted Williams
            5. Willie Mays
            6. Alex Rodriguez
            7. Hank Aaron
            8. Honus Wagner
            9. Lou Gehrig
            10. Mickey Mantle

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            • #51
              I should have had Piazza top 20.
              "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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              • #52
                Most recent without re-evaluating at this time:

                1) Ruth
                2) Mays
                3) Cobb
                4) Wagner
                5) Williams
                6) Aaron
                7) Charleston
                8) Speaker
                9) Bonds
                10) Gehrig
                11) Musial
                12) Hornsby
                13) Schmidt
                14) Collins
                15) Mantle
                16) Pujols
                17) Dimaggio
                18) Henderson
                19) Bench
                20) Gibson


                A-Rod, Mathews, Foxx, Lajoie Morgan, Ott contending.

                I would definitely have Walter Johnson and Clemens in the top 20 overall. Probably would have 5-8 pitchers in my top 20.
                Last edited by brett; 06-14-2018, 06:16 PM.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by brett View Post
                  Most recent without re-evaluating at this time:


                  13) Schmidt
                  14) Schmidt
                  Is Boss Schmidt # 13 or # 14? :-)
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                  1950s League Champion
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                  1980s League Champion
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

                    Is Boss Schmidt # 13 or # 14? :-)
                    Thanks. 14 is Collins as of now. I'm going to edit.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by brett View Post
                      Most recent without re-evaluating at this time:

                      1) Ruth
                      2) Mays
                      3) Cobb
                      4) Wagner
                      5) Williams
                      6) Aaron
                      7) Charleston
                      8) Speaker
                      9) Bonds
                      10) Gehrig
                      11) Musial
                      12) Hornsby
                      13) Schmidt
                      14) Collins
                      15) Mantle
                      16) Pujols
                      17) Dimaggio
                      18) Henderson
                      19) Bench
                      20) Gibson


                      A-Rod, Mathews, Foxx, Lajoie Morgan, Ott contending.

                      I would definitely have Walter Johnson and Clemens in the top 20 overall. Probably would have 5-8 pitchers in my top 20.
                      Just can't wrap my head around Collins as a better player than Rickey. NEITHER CAN RICKEY!
                      "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

                      ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post

                        Just can't wrap my head around Collins as a better player than Rickey. NEITHER CAN RICKEY!

                        I am “factoring” in peds and I do personally believe Rickey probably used. I know that if I was confident he was clean he’d rate several spots higher.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by brett View Post

                          Thanks. 14 is Collins as of now. I'm going to edit.
                          Brett I'm interested in your personal reasons for having Collins #14. Or if it makes it easier lets just say why is he ahead of Mantle?
                          "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by brett View Post


                            I am “factoring” in peds and I do personally believe Rickey probably used. I know that if I was confident he was clean he’d rate several spots higher.
                            First I've heard of that. Rickey always had a Bo Jackson esque (but more compact) body type. Of course he thickened up a bit as he aged, he worked hard...don't play that long without workin hard.

                            Again, news to me. Is this just an assumption? Never heard anything, Might as well just assume everyone took something?
                            "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

                            ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post

                              First I've heard of that. Rickey always had a Bo Jackson esque (but more compact) body type. Of course he thickened up a bit as he aged, he worked hard...don't play that long without workin hard.

                              Again, news to me. Is this just an assumption? Never heard anything, Might as well just assume everyone took something?
                              uh.... YEAH!!

                              bujt if you were on the A's or the Rangers, the level of suspicion goes even higher.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post

                                First I've heard of that. Rickey always had a Bo Jackson esque (but more compact) body type. Of course he thickened up a bit as he aged, he worked hard...don't play that long without workin hard.

                                Again, news to me. Is this just an assumption? Never heard anything, Might as well just assume everyone took something?
                                I've never heard anything about the Rickey using either.
                                "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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