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  • dominik
    started a topic The first overall draft picks

    The first overall draft picks

    The draft has been around since 1965 now. Here is a list of all first overall picks
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ll_draft_picks

    A lot of good players but also quite a few busts.Overall there have been 54 first overall picks.

    Which picks are the best?

    Some candidates:

    HOF level players: Arod, griffey jr, chipper jones, bryce harper (too early but has the peak level)

    Star players: Joe Mauer, Adrian gonzalez, David Price, stephen strasburg, Darryl strawberry

    Very good players: Justin upton, josh hamilton (superstar for a very short time between drug suspension and body breaking down), Correa (bit early but peak ability is there, could move up to star or more)

    younger picks than correa can't be evaluated yet. did I forget anyone? and which were the biggest busts?

    Teams overall seem to get better at drafting.. first ten years there were almost no good players drafted first, second decade it got better but still many busts, then it got gradually better.

    especially impressive is 1999 until 2012 were you had hamilton, Agone, Mauer, upton, price, strasburg, harper, cole and correa. also a few busts like bullington, bush,hochevar and beckham (as well as 2013 Appel) but a lot of really good players. in the first decades the teams were way worse at that, only in the late 80s to early 90s teams started to get better (when guys like chipper, griffey, Arod were drafted within a few years, but still more busts in between than now,

  • dwj21792
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    Originally posted by Steve Jeltz View Post
    Shawon Dunston had an okay career, 17 years in the majors. First 11 seasons with the Cubs and last 5 as journeyman.

    I believe Tim Belcher was the only player to be picked first overall in the June draft (1983) and January Draft (1984).
    Danny Goodwin was the only one picked in the June draft number one twice. First it was the White Sox in 1971, then the Angels 4 years later. Goodwin played 7 years in the Majors for the Angels, Twins, and A's. But he never appeared in more than 59 games in a season and had a career WAR of -1.7. Not worth the number one pick once, much less twice.

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  • JR Hart
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    Originally posted by abolishthedh View Post
    The first overall pick of the 1970 draft was Mike Ivie for the Padres. He debuted as an 18-yr old 1B-man, according to Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Ivie

    Yes, he has a wikipedia entry, since he was that well-hyped by Sporting News and other sports media of the age. Honestly, I never understood the hype or the logic behind the Padres' pick, because at the time they had a star 1B-man in Nate Colbert and Colbert would have appeared to have plenty left in the tank at the time. No one could know otherwise, but then no one could predict the future for a first overall pick either.

    In any case, Ivie had one very good year with the Giants in 1979, and had marginal positive value throughout the 1970s. Ivie wasn't a total bust, but he certainly underachieved his draft position forecasts.
    Ivie was drafted as a catcher. The link mentions that. If you look up 1971 call up, on Baseball Ref it was as a catcher, and the Wikipedia link does not say that he debuted as a 1B .. I remember when Ivie was drafted in 1970, all the talk was that he would be the next Johnny Bench. So he really never played his drafted position in the majors. There was considerable controversy about him not wanting to catch, after a while in the minors. I remember a lengthy Sporting News article around 1972 about Ivie's refusal to be a catcher. It was a big story in the early 70s
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    Also, after Ivie's 1979 season, he accidentally cut his hand very serverly and that killed his power.

    https://www.si.com/vault/1980/07/28/...r-one-more-try

    https://www.detroitathletic.com/blog...etroit-tigers/
    Last edited by JR Hart; 06-17-2018, 07:07 PM.

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  • Steve Jeltz
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    Shawon Dunston had an okay career, 17 years in the majors. First 11 seasons with the Cubs and last 5 as journeyman.

    I believe Tim Belcher was the only player to be picked first overall in the June draft (1983) and January Draft (1984).

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  • abolishthedh
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    The first overall pick of the 1970 draft was Mike Ivie for the Padres. He debuted as an 18-yr old 1B-man, according to Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Ivie

    Yes, he has a wikipedia entry, since he was that well-hyped by Sporting News and other sports media of the age. Honestly, I never understood the hype or the logic behind the Padres' pick, because at the time they had a star 1B-man in Nate Colbert and Colbert would have appeared to have plenty left in the tank at the time. No one could know otherwise, but then no one could predict the future for a first overall pick either.

    In any case, Ivie had one very good year with the Giants in 1979, and had marginal positive value throughout the 1970s. Ivie wasn't a total bust, but he certainly underachieved his draft position forecasts.

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  • morpheus1776
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    Floyd Bannister: First overall pick in the 1976 draft by the Houston Astros. Other than a couple of pretty good years, he was rather pedestrian.

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...annifl01.shtml

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  • dwj21792
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    Of course, then you have the other extreme-Steve Chilcott and Brien Taylor.
    Taylor was a sad story. Steve Boros called him the best high school pitcher he had ever seen. Hopes were high for this North Carolina teenager when the Yankees drafted him. They signed him for $1.55 million and gradually worked him up their farm system. After two years in the Minors, he was on pace to be with the club by 1995. The Yankees suggested he go to Arizona the Winter of 1993 to work on some fundamentals. He chose not to and went home to NC. While there he got into a fight trying to defend his brother and injured his shoulder in what Dr. Frank Jobe called the worst shoulder injury he had ever seen. After surgery and a year to recuperate, he was back in the Yankee system in 1995 but was never again the same. He retired in 2000, having never risen above AA ball. A once promising career gone sour.
    Chilicott will always be known as the man the Mets picked over Reggie Jackson. While Jackson made it to the HOF, Chilicott never made it to the Majors.

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  • Chadwick
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    MLB.com recently released its choice of the best player ever drafted at each first-round slot in the June Amateur Draft. Here is their list. There are a few silly choices (as these lists tend to produce), but overall, it's a sound list.

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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    Originally posted by dominik View Post
    The draft has been around since 1965 now. Here is a list of all first overall picks
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ll_draft_picks

    A lot of good players but also quite a few busts.Overall there have been 54 first overall picks.

    Which picks are the best?

    Some candidates:

    HOF level players: Arod, griffey jr, chipper jones, bryce harper (too early but has the peak level)

    Star players: Joe Mauer, Adrian gonzalez, David Price, stephen strasburg, Darryl strawberry

    Very good players: Justin upton, josh hamilton (superstar for a very short time between drug suspension and body breaking down), Correa (bit early but peak ability is there, could move up to star or more)

    younger picks than correa can't be evaluated yet. did I forget anyone? and which were the biggest busts?

    Teams overall seem to get better at drafting.. first ten years there were almost no good players drafted first, second decade it got better but still many busts, then it got gradually better.

    especially impressive is 1999 until 2012 were you had hamilton, Agone, Mauer, upton, price, strasburg, harper, cole and correa. also a few busts like bullington, bush,hochevar and beckham (as well as 2013 Appel) but a lot of really good players. in the first decades the teams were way worse at that, only in the late 80s to early 90s teams started to get better (when guys like chipper, griffey, Arod were drafted within a few years, but still more busts in between than now,
    If Bryce Harper belongs in the top group, so does Joe Mauer...who actually has had a HOF career.

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  • JR Hart
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    Brien Taylor was a huge bust , never played in the majors and later served 4 years in federal prison.

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  • PVNICK
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    Rick Monday was very good. Jeff Burroughs won the MVP and had a solid career. Bob Horner came straight out of college to win Rookie of the Year and was very good for a few years before injuries and perhaps "training" issues derailed him. Andy Benes, Pat Burrell and BJ Surhoff had long solid careers, even if they topped out at fringe all-star level

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  • dominik
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    Yeah, don't think baines was a star but probably should have at least been in the third category.

    overall a lot of busts but still a lot of very good players. it is still tougher than in basketball or football to find the top guys but teams got better.

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Harold Baines was another #1 overall pick who some consider to be a borderline hall of famer.

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