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  • Expansion Era Third Basemen

    ...not named Schmidt and Brett. Anyone care to rank these guys?

    Sal Bando
    Buddy Bell
    Ron Cey
    Doug DeCinces
    Darrell Evans
    Toby Harrah
    Richie Hebner
    Bill Madlock
    Don Money
    Graig Nettles
    "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

  • #2
    Here's what the numbers say:

    3Bman from 1966-1989, B-Ref WAR
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    3 Graig Nettles 1967 - 1988 22 3B 10226 68.0 46.6 15.1 0.0 6.3
    4 Buddy Bell 1972 - 1989 18 3B 10009 66.3 42.6 18.2 0.0 5.6
    5 Sal Bando 1966 - 1981 16 3B 8288 3.0 61.5 53.0 3.2 0.0 5.3
    6 Wade Boggs 1982 - 1989 8 3B 5371 60.2 50.2 7.7 0.0 2.2
    7 Darrell Evans 1969 - 1989 21 3B 10737 58.8 58.7 4.5 0.0 -4.3
    8 Ron Cey 1971 - 1987 17 3B 8344 53.8 47.1 3.1 0.0 3.5
    9 Toby Harrah 1969 - 1986 17 3B 8766 51.4 52.2 -11.0 0.0 10.2
    10 Brooks Robinson 1966 - 1977 12 3B 6716 47.9 22.2 20.5 0.0 5.2
    11 Paul Molitor 1978 - 1989 12 3B 6531 46.7 43.3 1.2 0.0 2.2
    12 Ron Santo 1966 - 1974 9 3B 5603 43.5 36.7 4.2 0.0 2.6
    13 Doug DeCinces 1973 - 1987 15 3B 6534 41.7 32.0 5.4 0.0 4.3
    14 Bill Madlock 1973 - 1987 15 3B 7372 38.2 46.9 -10.9 0.0 2.2
    15 Joe Torre 1966 - 1977 12 3B 6314 38.0 41.4 -3.1 0.0 -0.2
    16 Carney Lansford 1978 - 1989 12 3B 6764 37.2 39.0 -4.8 0.0 3.0
    17 Don Money 1968 - 1983 16 3B 6998 36.5 31.2 2.8 0.0 2.5
    18 Richie Hebner 1968 - 1985 18 3B 7016 33.0 38.6 -5.4 0.0 -0.2
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    19th Century League Champion
    1900s League Champion
    1910s League Champion

    1930s League Division Winner
    1950s League Champion
    1960 Strat-O-Matic League Regular Season Winner
    1960s League Division Winner
    1970s League Champion
    1971 Strat-O-Matic League Runner Up
    1980s League Champion
    All Time Greats League Champion

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    • #3
      Where are the rest?

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      • #4
        I guess we are done since we have "the numbers."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dgarza View Post
          Where are the rest?
          I cut it off when we had covered all the guys on Blue's list.
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          19th Century League Champion
          1900s League Champion
          1910s League Champion

          1930s League Division Winner
          1950s League Champion
          1960 Strat-O-Matic League Regular Season Winner
          1960s League Division Winner
          1970s League Champion
          1971 Strat-O-Matic League Runner Up
          1980s League Champion
          All Time Greats League Champion

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

            I cut it off when we had covered all the guys on Blue's list.
            I meant bluesky5's list. Where are all the other 3B who should be on his list?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
              I guess we are done since we have "the numbers."
              I didn't realize somebody posting numbers precludes you and everyone else from sharing their own opinions.
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              The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
              The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dgarza View Post

                I meant bluesky5's list. Where are all the other 3B who should be on his list?
                Who do you want yet? I didn't want to go all the way up to Lansford and back to Santo and Boyer.
                "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                • #9
                  1. Graig Nettles
                  2. Buddy Bell
                  3. Sal Bando
                  4. Ron Cey
                  5 Darrell Evans
                  6. Toby Harrah
                  7. Doug DeCinces
                  8. Bill Madlock
                  9. Richie Hebner
                  10. Don Money

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

                    Who do you want yet? I didn't want to go all the way up to Lansford and back to Santo and Boyer.
                    I guess I'm not sure what you're trying cover here. I expected to see players like Boggs, Robin Ventura, Chipper Jones. A bunch of guys.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dgarza View Post

                      I guess I'm not sure what you're trying cover here. I expected to see players like Boggs, Robin Ventura, Chipper Jones. A bunch of guys.
                      I was really just shooting for the 70's guys. The position was filled with really good borderline HoFer's then and I want to know who people here think was better than who in an effort to get closer to selecting the "right" guys for my PHoF.
                      "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                      • #12
                        I guess you want to exclude Brooks Robinson and Joe Torre, both of whom made significant contributions as primarily 3B in the 70s.


                        I have Darrell Evans as a HOFer and have no problem with Craig Nettles as a HOFer either.

                        Buddy Bell, Sal Bando, and Ron Cey were all great players, but I think all three are just a shade under what I'd like to see in the Hall.

                        I used to include Bill Madlock in my Hall (those Batting Titles are mighty shiny), but now I view him as a great All Star and nothing more. Toby Harrah is in that category as well.

                        The rest of the players you listed are too far removed from HOF consideration. They were good players and sometimes All Stars, but that 's it.


                        1. Darrell Evans
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                        2. Graig Nettles
                        -----------HOF---------
                        3. Buddy Bell
                        4. Sal Bando
                        5. Ron Cey
                        --------------------------
                        6. Bill Madlock
                        7. Toby Harrah
                        --------------------------
                        --------------------------
                        8. Doug DeCinces
                        --------------------------
                        9. Don Money
                        10. Richie Hebner
                        Last edited by dgarza; 10-16-2018, 01:31 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                          2. Craig Nettles
                          It's Graig Nettles, not Craig.

                          THE CORRECTOR
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                          19th Century League Champion
                          1900s League Champion
                          1910s League Champion

                          1930s League Division Winner
                          1950s League Champion
                          1960 Strat-O-Matic League Regular Season Winner
                          1960s League Division Winner
                          1970s League Champion
                          1971 Strat-O-Matic League Runner Up
                          1980s League Champion
                          All Time Greats League Champion

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                          • #14
                            1. Nettles - usually HOF

                            2. Evans - sometimes HOF
                            3. Bell
                            4. Bando

                            5. Cey - very close to sometimes

                            6. Madlock - if he had a good glove he would be above Bando and maybe even Bell based on peak, but he didn't

                            7. Harrah - he and Money played a lot of SS
                            8. DeCinces - I could see him as half a step below the Bando/Cey

                            9. Money
                            10. Hebner - my take is his defense was real bad

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

                              It's Graig Nettles, not Craig.

                              THE CORRECTOR
                              I fixed it...
                              I've seen too many error cards in my day.
                              Last edited by dgarza; 10-16-2018, 11:37 AM.

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