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  • Originally posted by willshad View Post

    It's one thing to say Grich looks good according to WAR. it's another thing entirely to say that just because WAR likes him, that this fact automatically means he was some kind of superstar when he was active. He most certainly was NOT. He had one top ten MVP finish in his entire career, an eighth place finish. He made five AS teams, pretty much by default, during a time of historically bad talent at the middle infield positions. His turn came up in the HOF voting, and he got 11 votes out of 430, on not exactly a stacked ballot.

    The guy could play the field. He could draw a walk. He could hit for decent power. Let's not make him out to be more than he was.
    And yet the Angels signed him to a 5 year contract as a free agent for more than 5 times his current salary and made him one of the top 5 highest paid players in the game. Boy, they must be stupid!
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    • Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

      And yet the Angels signed him to a 5 year contract as a free agent for more than 5 times his current salary and made him one of the top 5 highest paid players in the game. Boy, they must be stupid!
      Your paycheck does not determine whether or not you are a superstar. Some of the biggest stars in recent memory had a salary of less than a million dollars since they were still on their rookie contract. Some of the highest paid players in recent memory have never even remotely been considered superstars (Jayson Werth was the first guy to come to mind).
      Last edited by GiambiJuice; 01-11-2019, 08:40 AM.
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      2. Barry Bonds
      3. Ty Cobb
      4. Ted Williams
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      6. Alex Rodriguez
      7. Hank Aaron
      8. Honus Wagner
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      • Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

        Your paycheck does not determine whether or not you are a superstar. Some of the biggest stars in recent memory had a salary of less than a million dollars since they were still on their rookie contract. Some of the highest paid players in recent memory have never even remotely been considered superstars (Jayson Werth was the first guy to come to mind).
        Sure, there will be some notable exceptions, Are you saying that there''s no correlation with your salary and how good of a player you are?

        Grich played in a very different era from now. Can you name some players from his era who made huge money but were not superstars?
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        • Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

          What the hell does that mean?

          Do you think that Bobby Grich's brother invented WAR just for some rouse to make his brother look much better than he was?
          Well, people do act like WAR was invented to boost and denigrate certain players, so I have to think someone out there believes that. ; )
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          • Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

            Sure, there will be some notable exceptions, Are you saying that there''s no correlation with your salary and how good of a player you are?

            Grich played in a very different era from now. Can you name some players from his era who made huge money but were not superstars?
            Remember Wayne Garland? He signed a 10 year, $2 million contract with the Indians in 1977. This was a huge contract back then. He only pitched five years for the Indians compiling a 28-48 W-L record, 4.68 ERA, 85 ERA+, 3.4 WAR (total).
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            • Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

              Sure, there will be some notable exceptions, Are you saying that there''s no correlation with your salary and how good of a player you are?

              Grich played in a very different era from now. Can you name some players from his era who made huge money but were not superstars?
              A little bit later, but I know that in the mid-1980's both Julio Cruz and Steve Kemp were top-5 AL guys in salary at the same time. Sadly they both had White Sox connections (although it was the Yankees who overpaid Kemp)...I don't think anyone would call them superstars.

              Kemp was good for the Sox in his year here, but was overpaid relative to his skills. Cruz just wasn't very good, only average.
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              • When players win or lose their arbitration cases, who is the arbitrator? What are the arbitrators' baseball qualifications? Arbitration effects players' salaries as well.

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                • Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post

                  Well, people do act like WAR was invented to boost and denigrate certain players, so I have to think someone out there believes that. ; )
                  Maybe this clown:


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                  • Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                    Remember Wayne Garland? He signed a 10 year, $2 million contract with the Indians in 1977. This was a huge contract back then. He only pitched five years for the Indians compiling a 28-48 W-L record, 4.68 ERA, 85 ERA+, 3.4 WAR (total).
                    As I said, there are some notable exceptions, but for sure salary correlates very well with value. Especially in the 1970s.

                    The Angels knew that they were getting one of the best players in the league when they got Grich. His career would have been even better if not for screwing his back up while lifting an air conditioner.
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                    • Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post

                      Well, people do act like WAR was invented to boost and denigrate certain players, so I have to think someone out there believes that. ; )
                      WHY else was it invented?
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                      • Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

                        As I said, there are some notable exceptions, but for sure salary correlates very well with value. Especially in the 1970s.

                        The Angels knew that they were getting one of the best players in the league when they got Grich. His career would have been even better if not for screwing his back up while lifting an air conditioner.
                        If I paid a bunch of money for a guy and he then did something that irresponsible, I'd be mad.

                        and there's plenty of examples where big free agents are busts

                        Oscar Gamble . Padres
                        Bruce Sutter> Braves
                        most of Barry Zito's Giant career

                        Here's a list of 30, although they were premature about Greinke

                        https://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/27...-history.html/
                        Last edited by JR Hart; 01-11-2019, 11:55 AM.
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                        • Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

                          WHY else was it invented?
                          To analyze active players statistical trends and predict future performance... i.e. not to be applied retroactively 148 years.
                          "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                          • Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

                            To analyze active players statistical trends and predict future performance...
                            No, other metrics are for that. WAR mainly just measures past value.
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                            • Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

                              If I paid a bunch of money for a guy and he then did something that irresponsible, I'd be mad.

                              and there's plenty of examples where big free agents are busts

                              Oscar Gamble . Padres
                              Bruce Sutter> Braves
                              most of Barry Zito's Giant career

                              Here's a list of 30, although they were premature about Greinke

                              https://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/27...-history.html/
                              In the early 1990s, the highest paid player went from Danny Tartabull (with Ruben Sierra a close second) to Joe Carter, to Cecil Fielder.

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                              • Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

                                WHY else was it invented?
                                To attempt to give us a better understanding of how well a baseball player did. That's it. I have nothing else to say.
                                46 wins to match last year's total

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