Announcement

Collapse

Updated Baseball Fever Policy

Baseball Fever Policy

I. Purpose of this announcement:

This announcement describes the policies pertaining to the operation of Baseball Fever.

Baseball Fever is a moderated baseball message board which encourages and facilitates research and information exchange among fans of our national pastime. The intent of the Baseball Fever Policy is to ensure that Baseball Fever remains an extremely high quality, extremely low "noise" environment.

Baseball Fever is administrated by three principal administrators:
webmaster - Baseball Fever Owner
The Commissioner - Baseball Fever Administrator
Macker - Baseball Fever Administrator

And a group of forum specific super moderators. The role of the moderator is to keep Baseball Fever smoothly and to screen posts for compliance with our policy. The moderators are ALL volunteer positions, so please be patient and understanding of any delays you might experience in correspondence.

II. Comments about our policy:

Any suggestions on this policy may be made directly to the webmaster.

III. Acknowledgments:

This document was based on a similar policy used by SABR.

IV. Requirements for participation on Baseball Fever:

Participation on Baseball Fever is available to all baseball fans with a valid email address, as verified by the forum's automated system, which then in turn creates a single validated account. Multiple accounts by a single user are prohibited.

By registering, you agree to adhere to the policies outlined in this document and to conduct yourself accordingly. Abuse of the forum, by repeated failure to abide by these policies, will result in your access being blocked to the forum entirely.

V. Baseball Fever Netiquette:

Participants at Baseball Fever are required to adhere to these principles, which are outlined in this section.
a. All posts to Baseball Fever should be written in clear, concise English, with proper grammar and accurate spelling. The use of abbreviations should be kept to a minimum; when abbreviation is necessary, they should be either well-known (such as etc.), or explained on their first use in your post.

b. Conciseness is a key attribute of a good post.

c. Quote only the portion of a post to which you are responding.

d. Standard capitalization and punctuation make a large difference in the readability of a post. TYPING IN ALL CAPITALS is considered to be "shouting"; it is a good practice to limit use of all capitals to words which you wish to emphasize.

e. It is our policy NOT to transmit any defamatory or illegal materials.

f. Personal attacks of any type against Baseball Fever readers will not be tolerated. In these instances the post will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the personal attack via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who choose to not listen and continue personal attacks will be banned from the site.

g. It is important to remember that many contextual clues available in face-to-face discussion, such as tone of voice and facial expression, are lost in the electronic forum. As a poster, try to be alert for phrasing that might be misinterpreted by your audience to be offensive; as a reader, remember to give the benefit of the doubt and not to take umbrage too easily. There are many instances in which a particular choice of words or phrasing can come across as being a personal attack where none was intended.

h. The netiquette described above (a-g) often uses the term "posts", but applies equally to Private Messages.

VI. Baseball Fever User Signature Policy

A signature is a piece of text that some members may care to have inserted at the end of ALL of their posts, a little like the closing of a letter. You can set and / or change your signature by editing your profile in the UserCP. Since it is visible on ALL your posts, the following policy must be adhered to:

Signature Composition
Font size limit: No larger than size 2 (This policy is a size 2)
Style: Bold and italics are permissible
Character limit: No more than 500 total characters
Lines: No more than 4 lines
Colors: Most colors are permissible, but those which are hard to discern against the gray background (yellow, white, pale gray) should be avoided
Images/Graphics: Allowed, but nothing larger than 20k and Content rules must be followed

Signature Content
No advertising is permitted
Nothing political or religious
Nothing obscene, vulgar, defamatory or derogatory
Links to personal blogs/websites are permissible - with the webmaster's written consent
A Link to your Baseball Fever Blog does not require written consent and is recommended
Quotes must be attributed. Non-baseball quotes are permissible as long as they are not religious or political

Please adhere to these rules when you create your signature. Failure to do so will result in a request to comply by a moderator. If you do not comply within a reasonable amount of time, the signature will be removed and / or edited by an Administrator. Baseball Fever reserves the right to edit and / or remove any or all of your signature line at any time without contacting the account holder.

VII. Appropriate and inappropriate topics for Baseball Fever:

Most concisely, the test for whether a post is appropriate for Baseball Fever is: "Does this message discuss our national pastime in an interesting manner?" This post can be direct or indirect: posing a question, asking for assistance, providing raw data or citations, or discussing and constructively critiquing existing posts. In general, a broad interpretation of "baseball related" is used.

Baseball Fever is not a promotional environment. Advertising of products, web sites, etc., whether for profit or not-for-profit, is not permitted. At the webmaster's discretion, brief one-time announcements for products or services of legitimate baseball interest and usefulness may be allowed. If advertising is posted to the site it will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the post via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who choose to not listen and continue advertising will be banned from the site. If the advertising is spam-related, pornography-based, or a "visit-my-site" type post / private message, no warning at all will be provided, and the member will be banned immediately without a warning.

It is considered appropriate to post a URL to a page which specifically and directly answers a question posted on the list (for example, it would be permissible to post a link to a page containing home-road splits, even on a site which has advertising or other commercial content; however, it would not be appropriate to post the URL of the main page of the site). The site reserves the right to limit the frequency of such announcements by any individual or group.

In keeping with our test for a proper topic, posting to Baseball Fever should be treated as if you truly do care. This includes posting information that is, to the best of your knowledge, complete and accurate at the time you post. Any errors or ambiguities you catch later should be acknowledged and corrected in the thread, since Baseball Fever is sometimes considered to be a valuable reference for research information.

VIII. Role of the moderator:

When a post is submitted to Baseball Fever, it is forwarded by the server automatically and seen immediately. The moderator may:
a. Leave the thread exactly like it was submitted. This is the case 95% of the time.

b. Immediately delete the thread as inappropriate for Baseball Fever. Examples include advertising, personal attacks, or spam. This is the case 1% of the time.

c. Move the thread. If a member makes a post about the Marlins in the Yankees forum it will be moved to the appropriate forum. This is the case 3% of the time.

d. Edit the message due to an inappropriate item. This is the case 1% of the time. There have been new users who will make a wonderful post, then add to their signature line (where your name / handle appears) a tagline that is a pure advertisement. This tagline will be removed, a note will be left in the message so he/she is aware of the edit, and personal contact will be made to the poster telling them what has been edited and what actions need to be taken to prevent further edits.

The moderators perform no checks on posts to verify factual or logical accuracy. While he/she may point out gross errors in factual data in replies to the thread, the moderator does not act as an "accuracy" editor. Also moderation is not a vehicle for censorship of individuals and/or opinions, and the moderator's decisions should not be taken personally.

IX. Legal aspects of participation in Baseball Fever:

By submitting a post to Baseball Fever, you grant Baseball Fever permission to distribute your message to the forum. Other rights pertaining to the post remain with the ORIGINAL author, and you may not redistribute or retransmit any posts by any others, in whole or in part, without the express consent of the original author.

The messages appearing on Baseball Fever contain the opinions and views of their respective authors and are not necessarily those of Baseball Fever, or of the Baseball Almanac family of sites.

Sincerely,

Sean Holtz, Webmaster of Baseball Almanac & Baseball Fever
www.baseball-almanac.com | www.baseball-fever.com
"Baseball Almanac: Sharing Baseball. Sharing History."
See more
See less

Greatest hitters by position

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Greatest hitters by position

    C Piazza
    1B Gehrig
    2B Hornsby
    SS Arod
    3B Schmidt
    RF Ruth
    CF Mantle
    LF Williams
    P Ruth
    DH Martinez

    Honorable mention
    C Gibson. Bench, Dickey
    1B Foxx, Pujols, Thomas
    2B Collins, LaJoie, Morgan
    SS Wagner, Vaughn, Garciaparra
    3B Mathews, Jones, Brett
    RF Musial, Aaron, Ott
    CF Cobb, Mays, DiMaggio
    LF Bonds, Ramirez, Yastrzemski
    P Ferrell
    DH Ortiz, Thomas, Molitor

    Choices reflect both rate and counting stats. E.g., Thomas could be listed as the best DH of all time, but he didn't play that position primarily. Garciaparra's career ended relatively early because of injuries, but in his peak he was an unusually good hitting SS.
    Last edited by Stolensingle; 01-11-2019, 06:05 PM.

  • #2
    I would put Chipper ahead of Schmidt and Cobb ahead of Mantle. Big Papi as the DH.

    Comment


    • #3
      Never mind.
      Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 01-12-2019, 10:02 AM.
      Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

      Comment


      • #4
        C Piazza
        1B Gehrig
        2B Hornsby
        SS A-Rod
        3B Chipper
        RF Ruth
        CF Cobb
        LF Bonds - by a hair over Williams
        P Ferrell
        DH Martinez
        My top 10 players:

        1. Babe Ruth
        2. Barry Bonds
        3. Ty Cobb
        4. Ted Williams
        5. Willie Mays
        6. Alex Rodriguez
        7. Hank Aaron
        8. Honus Wagner
        9. Lou Gehrig
        10. Mickey Mantle

        Comment


        • #5
          Edgar and Papi are REAL close IMO.

          Ortiz, 2002-2016 2078 G 8864 PA 146 OPS+
          Martinez, career: 2055 G 8674 PA 147 OPS+

          If we count post season, and counting stats, Ortiz pulls ahead pretty comfortably.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by willshad View Post
            Edgar and Papi are REAL close IMO.

            Ortiz, 2002-2016 2078 G 8864 PA 146 OPS+
            Martinez, career: 2055 G 8674 PA 147 OPS+

            If we count post season, and counting stats, Ortiz pulls ahead pretty comfortably.
            Why are you including Edgar's whole career (including his time at 3B), but only Ortiz's seasons after 2002?

            Shouldn't we either include both careers in their entireties OR both just as DHs?

            1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

            1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

            1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


            The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
            The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

              Why are you including Edgar's whole career (including his time at 3B), but only Ortiz's seasons after 2002?

              Shouldn't we either include both careers in their entireties OR both just as DHs?
              Exactly. Edgar was clearly the more valuable player of the two. Plus, unlike Ortiz, he never failed a PED test (for those who care about such things).

              Edgar 38.6 WAA
              Ortiz 20.2 WAA

              I hate to use just one stat - we could also point out that Edgar was a rare .300/.400/.500 hitter for his career while Ortiz isn't close to being a .300 BA or .400 OBP guy - but the WAA and WAR differences are just massive.

              Let's throw in Edgars two batting titles, 3 OBP titles and one OPS title. Ortiz led in OBP 1x and OPS 1x. In his final season. At age 40. Not suspicious at all.....
              Last edited by GiambiJuice; 01-13-2019, 11:20 AM.
              My top 10 players:

              1. Babe Ruth
              2. Barry Bonds
              3. Ty Cobb
              4. Ted Williams
              5. Willie Mays
              6. Alex Rodriguez
              7. Hank Aaron
              8. Honus Wagner
              9. Lou Gehrig
              10. Mickey Mantle

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post

                Exactly. Edgar was clearly the more valuable player of the two. Plus, unlike Ortiz, he never failed a PED test (for those who care about such things).

                Edgar 38.6 WAA
                Ortiz 20.2 WAA

                I hate to use just one stat - we could also point out that Edgar was a rare .300/.400/.500 hitter for his career while Ortiz isn't close to being a .300 BA or .400 OBP guy - but the WAA and WAR differences are just massive.

                Let's throw in Edgars two batting titles, 3 OBP titles and one OPS title. Ortiz led in OBP 1x and OPS 1x. In his final season. At age 40. Not suspicious at all.....
                I just think we should compare them as career hitters or hitters as dhs. Comparing Martinez's whole career (including decline phase) with only Ortiz after his worst 6 seasons (just to get their games played numbers similar) does neither of those things.
                And it isn't a surprise why this was done. If we only compare them both as DHs or both only after their first 6 seasons, or both by their entire careers, Martinez's ops+ jumps to a 5-7 point lead.
                ​​​​
                ​​​​​

                1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

                1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

                1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


                The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
                The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

                  I just think we should compare them as career hitters or hitters as dhs. Comparing Martinez's whole career (including decline phase) with only Ortiz after his worst 6 seasons (just to get their games played numbers similar) does neither of those things.
                  And it isn't a surprise why this was done. If we only compare them both as DHs or both only after their first 6 seasons, or both by their entire careers, Martinez's ops+ jumps to a 5-7 point lead.
                  ​​​​
                  ​​​​​

                  Very good point, I fully agree.
                  My top 10 players:

                  1. Babe Ruth
                  2. Barry Bonds
                  3. Ty Cobb
                  4. Ted Williams
                  5. Willie Mays
                  6. Alex Rodriguez
                  7. Hank Aaron
                  8. Honus Wagner
                  9. Lou Gehrig
                  10. Mickey Mantle

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Greatest:
                    C - Mike Piazza
                    1B - Lou Gehrig
                    2B - Rogers Hornsby
                    SS - Hans Wagner
                    3B - George Brett
                    LF - Ted Williams
                    CF - Ty Cobb
                    RF - Babe Ruth
                    P - Wes Ferrell

                    2nd greatest:
                    C - Josh Gibson
                    1B - Cap Anson
                    2B - Nap Lajoie
                    SS - Derek Jeter
                    3B - Chipper Jones
                    LF - Barry Bonds
                    CF - Willie Mays
                    RF - Henry Aaron
                    P - Bob Lemon

                    3rd greatest:
                    C - Mickey Cochrane
                    1B - Pete Rose
                    2B - Rod Carew
                    SS - Arky Vaughan
                    3B - John McGraw
                    LF - Stan Musial
                    CF - Tris Speaker
                    RF - Tony Gwynn
                    P - Walter Johnson
                    "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

                      Why are you including Edgar's whole career (including his time at 3B), but only Ortiz's seasons after 2002?

                      Shouldn't we either include both careers in their entireties OR both just as DHs?
                      Well I was trying to give each guy an equal number of games and plate appearances. I think we should either include all of Edgar's career or give papi a longevity advantage. Its probably fair to not include his pre Boston days when his Boston career is more or less equal to Edgar's entire career.
                      ​​
                      I don't think its as cut and dry as people are making it seem.
                      Last edited by willshad; 01-13-2019, 12:57 PM.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Rose over Pujols, Foxx and Thomas? Speaker over Mantle? Again, this is a ranking just as hitters, not as overall players.

                        I should have pointed out, though, that I began more or less with the twentieth century, as I'm not familiar enough with players before then to judge them.
                        Last edited by Stolensingle; 01-13-2019, 04:16 PM.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          C - Piazza
                          1B - Gehrig
                          2B - Hornsby
                          3B - Hmmmmm..I guess Chipper
                          SS - Wagner
                          LF - Williams
                          CF - Cobb
                          RF - Ruth
                          DH - Martinez
                          SP - Ferrell
                          1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

                          1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

                          1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


                          The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
                          The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            C - Piazza
                            1B - Gehrig
                            2B - Hornsby
                            SS - Wagner
                            3B - Brett
                            LF - Williams
                            CF - Cobb
                            RF - Ruth
                            DH - Martinez
                            SP - Ferrell - I'm assuming Ruth would be cheating, and Bob Caruthers split too much time in the OF

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                              SP - Ferrell - I'm assuming Ruth would be cheating, and Bob Caruthers split too much time in the OF
                              Al Spalding? Terry Foster?

                              Comment

                              Ad Widget

                              Collapse
                              Working...
                              X