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  • #16
    Frank Robinson almost had two HOF careers. When he was with the Reds, his JAWS was 56.4, just about average for HOF RFers, and which would have ranked 12th of 26 in the HOF. For the rest of his career, his JAWS was 44.4, which would rank 17th.

    How many other players have done something like that? Bonds had a JAWS of 50.3 at Pittsburgh, which would have ranked 10th of 20 HOFers at LF. At SF, his JAWS was 76.0, basically a tie for 3d among LFers. So not considering PEDs, Bonds was a strong HOF candidate after his seven seasons at Pittsburgh,and of course a lock at SF..

    ARod: 50.1 JAWS with NYY, 11th/15 for 3B. 61.1 for SE + TEX, 6th/22 SS. ARod, forgetting the PEDS, was a certain HOFer after his ten years at SE and Texas, and had a strong case as a HOF 3B just for his time in NY. Two HOF careers at two different positions with three different teams.

    Beltre had a near-HOF career before going to Texas (JAWS 43.7), and another near-HOF career while there (42.3).

    Speaker: 55.8 JAWS at Boston, 8th/19 CFers; 64.0 at Cleveland, 7th.

    Colllins had HOF careers at Philadelphia and Chicago, about 56 JAWS at each, 9th/20 second basemen.

    But unlike any of those players, so far, Robinson also won > 1000 games as a manager. AFAIK, the only other man to win > 1000 games as a manager and finish in the top 50 in career WAR as a player is Frankie Frisch.
    Last edited by Stolensingle; 02-09-2019, 06:36 PM.

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    • #17
      Eddie Murray finished 2nd a couple times with the Orioles and 5th with the Dodgers (1990).

      Dave Winfield finished 3rd with the Padres (1979) and 4th with the Yankees (1988).

      Carlos Delgado finished 2nd with Toronto (2003) and 6th with Florida (6th).
      My top 10 players:

      1. Babe Ruth
      2. Barry Bonds
      3. Ty Cobb
      4. Ted Williams
      5. Willie Mays
      6. Alex Rodriguez
      7. Hank Aaron
      8. Honus Wagner
      9. Lou Gehrig
      10. Mickey Mantle

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      • #18
        Zack Grienke had a 1st Cy finish (but only 17th MVP finish in the AL) and a 2nd Cy finish with a 7th MVP in the NL.
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        • #19
          Mark McGwire had finishes of 4th, 6th, and 7th in the AL and 2nd and 5th in the NL.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by willshad View Post
            Verlander was first and tenth.
            Not sure where you are going with this.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Stolensingle View Post
              Frank Robinson almost had two HOF careers. When he was with the Reds, his JAWS was 56.4, just about average for HOF RFers, and which would have ranked 12th of 26 in the HOF. For the rest of his career, his JAWS was 44.4, which would rank 17th.

              How many other players have done something like that? Bonds had a JAWS of 50.3 at Pittsburgh, which would have ranked 10th of 20 HOFers at LF. At SF, his JAWS was 76.0, basically a tie for 3d among LFers. So not considering PEDs, Bonds was a strong HOF candidate after his seven seasons at Pittsburgh,and of course a lock at SF..

              ARod: 50.1 JAWS with NYY, 11th/15 for 3B. 61.1 for SE + TEX, 6th/22 SS. ARod, forgetting the PEDS, was a certain HOFer after his ten years at SE and Texas, and had a strong case as a HOF 3B just for his time in NY. Two HOF careers at two different positions with three different teams.

              Beltre had a near-HOF career before going to Texas (JAWS 43.7), and another near-HOF career while there (42.3).

              Speaker: 55.8 JAWS at Boston, 8th/19 CFers; 64.0 at Cleveland, 7th.

              Colllins had HOF careers at Philadelphia and Chicago, about 56 JAWS at each, 9th/20 second basemen.

              But unlike any of those players, so far, Robinson also won > 1000 games as a manager. AFAIK, the only other man to win > 1000 games as a manager and finish in the top 50 in career WAR as a player is Frankie Frisch.
              Roger Clemens:

              BOS '84 - 96' - 81.0 WAR

              TOR, NYY, HOU '96 - 07' - 58.0 WAR (right at the border for a HOF pitcher, but probably good enough because of the 2 crazy peak years with Toronto)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by redban View Post

                Roger Clemens:

                BOS '84 - 96' - 81.0 WAR

                TOR, NYY, HOU '96 - 07' - 58.0 WAR (right at the border for a HOF pitcher, but probably good enough because of the 2 crazy peak years with Toronto)
                Yes- 58 WAR in 12 seasons with a handful of GREAT seasons is a HOFer pretty easily.
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